Next Gen Schools #3 - Katie Martin - Redesigning The Future of Public Education (with Tech & People)
Next Gen Schools Podcast with A.J. JulianiShow Notes
What does it take to redesign school so students find meaning in their learning—and teachers have the time and support to make it happen? In this episode, I'm joined by Dr. Katie Martin, author of Learner-Centered Innovation and Co-CEO of Learner-Centered Collaborative. Katie shares lessons from her work as a teacher, administrator, and member of the AltSchool team, along with what she's learning from helping public school systems rethink education. We explore personalized learning, the challenges of changing school systems, and how AI could create more room for teachers to coach, connect, and support students. Throughout our conversation, Katie returns to a central idea: start with a clear vision for learners, then choose the tools and structures that help bring it to life. What you'll take away Devices alone don't create engagement. Katie reflects on early one-to-one technology initiatives and what students said they missed: connection with their teachers.
Personalized learning requires thoughtful design. AltSchool's experience offers lessons about student goals, feedback, meaningful projects, and the workload involved in adopting new approaches.
Lasting change starts with the community. Students, educators, families, and leaders help define success and shape the changes their schools need.
A learner profile is a starting point. Bringing that vision to life means rethinking schedules, assessment, teacher collaboration, and learning experiences.
Look for early signs of progress. Katie describes improvements in engagement, attendance, and belonging that can precede gains in academic achievement.
Make student learning visible. Celebrations of learning give students a chance to share their growth—and help teachers see the impact of their work.
Episode chapters 00:00 — Meet Katie Martin
00:44 — What early technology rollouts missed
03:37 — Lessons from AltSchool's personalized learning model
06:22 — The same mission, a different approach to change
07:37 — Why school districts matter
08:40 — Building a shared vision with the community
11:50 — Four pressures driving schools to rethink their approach
13:00 — Relevance, engagement, and staying the course
15:02 — How celebrations of learning shift mindsets
16:23 — AI's role in freeing teachers to coach and connect
A question to bring to your team What would change in your school if every student regularly shared what they learned, why it mattered, and how they grew? Watch the full episode on YouTube. Subscribe to Next Gen Schools, share this conversation with a colleague, and leave a comment with one idea you'd like to try in your school.
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