When Leadership Becomes the Limitation | Pastor Rob Ketterling on Growth, Capacity & Calling

In this special crossover episode of Talking Church and YoungAdults.Today, Logan sits down with Josiah and Micah Kennealy to discuss the future of young adult ministry and what it takes to raise up the next generation of church leaders. Together, they explore the difference between gathering crowds and making disciples, the importance of mentorship, and why young adults are searching for community and purpose. They also unpack the growing influence of AI, the power of generosity, and how the Church can remain rooted in biblical truth through a rapidly changing culture. Whether you're a pastor, ministry leader, or young adult, this conversation will challenge and encourage you to invest in the next generation. Want to connect with Josiah and Micah? https://www.youngadults.today/ https://www.instagram.com/youngadults.today --- https://www.instagram.com/josiahkennealy/ https://www.instagram.com/micah_kennealy/

In this episode, Logan sits down with Archbishop Bernard Hebda for a conversation about faith, leadership, and what Christians can learn from one another across traditions. Archbishop Hebda shares his journey from Harvard and Columbia Law School to the priesthood, his years working at the Vatican, and his perspective on the Holy Spirit, Christian unity, and the growing hunger for faith among young people. It’s an encouraging conversation about following God’s call and keeping Jesus at the center.

In this episode of Talking Church, Pastor Logan sits down with Pastor Chris Hodges, Senior Pastor of Church of the Highlands, to talk about some of the leadership principles that have shaped his life, ministry, and the way he leads people. Chris shares why he focuses on growth instead of goals, how he protects what matters most on his calendar, why great leaders learn to see the potential in people, and the importance of having principles that guide you when pressure comes. They also talk about building strong teams, knowing what to say no to, finding your people, dreaming bigger, and creating space to slow down in the middle of a busy life. Whether you're a pastor, church leader, Dream Team leader, or simply someone who wants to grow in the way you lead, this conversation is packed with practical wisdom you can put into practice. Want to connect with Chris Hodges? https://www.instagram.com/pastorchrishodges https://www.churchofthehighlands.com/about/leadership

In this episode of Talking Church, Logan Ketterling sits down with Lisa Seaton, Senior Executive Pastor at City First Church, to talk about what she’s learned from 20 years of serving at the same church. Lisa started as an administrative assistant and, over the years, grew into her role today as Senior Executive Pastor. She shares some of the lessons she’s learned along the way about staying faithful, growing as a leader, building healthy teams, and continuing to say yes to what God puts in front of you. 00:00 From Administrative Assistant to Senior Executive Pastor 05:30 Growing Into Leadership 08:00 How to Last in Ministry 12:39 Why Church Growth Takes Time 16:26 Learning to Lead From the Second Chair 20:26 Turning a Pastor’s Vision Into Action 28:26 Building a Healthy Church Staff Culture 34:40 Giving Feedback Without Micromanaging 37:58 What Makes a Leader Keep Growing? 39:57 Burnout, Boundaries & Becoming a Healthy Leader Want to connect with Lisa? https://www.instagram.com/lisamarieseaton https://www.cityfirst.church/speakers/lisa-seaton/

Pastor Rob Ketterling sits down with Logan for a raw look at staff culture — starting with the toxic, siloed churches Pastor Rob worked at early in ministry, and what those experiences taught him about building something better. They cover longevity, the new four-year commitment for staff, the "First Four" mentoring program, and River Valley's seven staff values, from "speak life, bring lift" to "honor in all directions."