Summary
Writers Jenny Nash and Katie discuss significant mindset shifts that have influenced their current writing projects. Both authors reveal that they recently made drastic changes to their manuscripts after receiving feedback from beta readers. Nash, working on a nonfiction book, describes how she felt stuck and unsure about her manuscript's direction, prompting her to seek tough love from her friend and therapist, Diana. This conversation led to a breakthrough, allowing her to redefine her book's purpose and structure, resulting in renewed excitement and creativity.
Katie shares her own experience of re-evaluating her novel after feeling that her protagonist was uninteresting compared to supporting characters. She realizes that the more compelling story lies in the past, leading her to consider a dual timeline structure. Both writers emphasize the importance of honest feedback and the necessity of being open to significant changes in their work. They reflect on the challenges of the writing process, acknowledging that it often involves wrestling with self-doubt and the need for clarity about their audience and intentions. Ultimately, they express a sense of rejuvenation and commitment to their writing journeys.
Show Notes
Have you ever looked at a project you’ve poured years of your life into and realized… it’s fine? Not catastrophic. Not terrible. Just fine. No one wants to read a book that’s fine — and I am certain you don’t want to write one. The first step in making sure you do better than fine is to catch yourself when you know you’ve hit a wall — which is way easier said than done. We get so used to plowing ahead, getting the words down, prioritizing FINISHING that we often forget to stop and make sure we are writing what we really want to be writing. Think of that pause like checking in with your gut or your heart: do you love this? Because if you don’t love it, your readers aren’t going to love it, either. In this Write Big episode, KJ and I sit down for an honest, behind-the-scenes look at what happens when you hit a wall—and decide to set off a stick of dynamite instead of trying to climb over it. Both of us recently threw out huge portions of our current projects (my Write Big book, and KJ’s novel) to start fresh from page zero. I share the story of my 12-hour wrestling match with ChatGPT over the books subtitle (yeah — 12 hours on the subtitle), the “tough love” reality check I got from #amwriting recurring guest therapist Dr. Diana Hill, and how answering one simple question—are you actually centering your reader?—changed everything about my book’s tone, structure, and voice. Meanwhile, KJ opens up about why she threw out her protagonist, embraced a dual-timeline structure, and ignored the well-meaning advice of friends who told her NOT to keep starting over. We talk about: * How to recognize when a book is polite or timid instead of alive. * The difference between an echo chamber (which AI can sometimes be) and a true truth-teller. * A method for salvaging the gold from an abandoned draft without getting bogged down by old words. * Why starting over isn’t “falling behind”—it’s standing up for your conviction. If you’re feeling stuck, lost, or secretely suspecting your current draft needs a radical pivot, we encourage you stop playing it safe and build something alive. Let’s get back to work and finish work we LOVE. #AmWriting is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.
Books Mentioned * Austin Kleon’s Steal Like an Artist * John Wooden’s books on coaching basketball * Serena Bowen’s novel: Big Stick Energy * Virginia A. Evans’s The Correspondent Transcript Jennie: [00:00:00] Hi, I’m Jennie Nash, and you’re listening to the #amwriting podcast, the place where we help writers of all kinds play big in your writing life, love the process, and stick with it long enough to finish what matters most. This is a Write Big episode, where I bring you short conversations, this one might not be so short, about the mindset shifts that shape the work, and today I’m talking to KJ. Jennie: Hi, KJ. KJ: I’m so excited to be here. This is... Uh, you know. I’ll be here lots. This is great. Uh, the, the behind-the-scenes stuff- Is the behind the scenes stuff? KJ Jennie: often- KJ: And here we are just to like, you know, having a nice normal, um, a podcast, so Jennie: yeah. I know. I’m so excited to talk to you and to share this conversation with our listeners, and we’re talking about Jennie: So we’re talking about the mindset shifts that shape the work. That’s what Write Big is all about, and [00:01:00] oof, some big ones just happened for us both. Yep. Um, if you’ve been listening for a while, you know we’re both working on projects. They’re very different projects. Um, KJ’s is a novel, mine is a nonfiction book, and I just m- literally dropped a bomb on mine and totally blew it up and started in a new direction, and this is years into it, and you recently did that too, and you- I did KJ: something very similar Jennie: you were shy about sharing it with me, which I thought was funny. Um- Oh. ‘Cause you were like- Yeah ... “She’s not in the book anymore.” I was asking her ab
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