Show Notes
In the 2024 presidential election, Republicans spent nearly $600 million on political advertisements pounding Biden (and then Harris) for botching the border. The Democrats’ uninspiring message in response was: “No we didn’t.” Ever wonder why Republicans dominate the national conversation on immigration, while Democratic politicians seem reluctant to talk about it?
Beatriz Lopez is a veteran political strategist and immigration advocate with a story to tell: Why Democrats long ago decided to treat immigration as a “losing issue,” how the MAGA message machine filled the void with anti-immigrant scapegoating, and how a vocally pro-immigrant message can be both popular and effective.
==Learn More==
Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palmer.media). Read more about the topics in this episode:
* Voto Latino - shepherding the Latino community towards full realization of its political power
* Immigration Attitudes - Pew Research Center
* Collection of MPI Analysis Related to Biden Administration Actions on Immigration - Migration Policy Institute
* Elon Musk’s misleading election claims reach millions and alarm election officials - Washington Post (Sept. 2024)
* U.S. Senate candidate John Fetterman releases immigration video for Thanksgiving - Philly Voice (Nov. 2015)
* Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here: The United States, Central America, and the Making of a Crisis - Jonathan Blitzer, Penguin Press (2025)
==Give More==
Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these:
National:
* #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies
* Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change
* Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice
* Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services
* International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety
* Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling
Local:
* Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana
* Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community
* Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico
* Support an immigration service provider near you
==Chapters==
(0:00:00) Introduction
(0:01:31) Who is Beatriz Lopez?
(0:04:02) When did Democrats decide immigration was a losing issue?
(0:06:26) Then Trump comes along…
(0:09:50) Big warning signs in 2024
(0:12:46) $10.5 billion on election ads
(0:18:46) “The majority of people aren’t anti-immigrant; they’re anti-chaos.”
(0:20:11) Elon Musk and the anti-immigrant message machine
(0:24:40) When John Fetterman pushed back with a positive message
(0:26:57) What is the opposite of political courage?
(0:31:03) Beatriz spills some tea
(0:33:56) Jonathan Blitzer’s book and the legacy of Rahm Emanuel
(0:35:02) So there’s vibes, and then there’s data…
(0:37:33) Nobody has delivered on citizenship
(0:41:42) “I mean really, *really* do communications work…”
(0:45:38) How has public opinion shifted since 2025?
(0:49:40) “As an avid consumer of Instagram…”
(0:53:51) The Met Gala is like The Hunger Games
(0:56:06) What would you say to a persuadable voter in 30 seconds?
(0:57:34) What gives you hope?
(1:01:14) Conclusion
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