Show Notes
In this episode of The Corporate Burnouts, Mandy Holt and Mandy Alt unpack the reality of stepping into leadership, getting promoted, or starting a business, and why the next rung on the ladder isn’t always what you think it will be. From middle management burnout to becoming the boss with noone above you saying “good job,” this honest conversation explores the hidden emotional shift that happens when you move from being the high-performing employee to the leader responsible for everyone else’s success. The Mandys dive into control issues, delegation, micromanaging, loneliness in leadership, resentment overrecognition, and the mindset shift required to find validation in your team’s wins instead of your own applause. They discuss how corporate culture conditions us to chase promotions without questioning whether leadership is actually aligned with our strengths, and why some people are meant to be coaches while others are meant to be stars. If you’re navigating a promotion, building a small business, feeling isolated as a leader, or wondering whether you’re in the right seat on the bus, this episode will challenge your expectations and help you rethink where your fulfillment should come from. Listen in, reflect on whether you need a mindset shift or a role shift, share this episode with someone stepping into leadership, and follow The Corporate Burnouts for real conversations about burnout, business ownership,corporate life, and finding the right path for you. If youw would like to join us at The Become Women's Summit in St. Louis March 12-13, there are only a couple tickets left. Use this link to register today before they sell out! https://littleblackbook.wildapricot.org/event-6349380
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