Show Notes
Who benefits from intense footballing rivalries? Why Capital of course.
Orit Gat and Luke Clancy wander through the week's football matches and meanings, including how to weigh the politics of supporting Arsenal Women's team, playing against Israel, and watching Disney; also, the entirely not unrelated question of whether the dockers' derby is a thinly veiled assault on solidarity. Plus performing masculinity on and off the pitch, and the god-like genius, on and off the pitch, of London City Lionesses' Alexia and her YouTube channel.
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Luke Clancy and Orit Gat roam from Tate Modern’s Turbine Hall to Craven Cottage and Frieze, exploring how space, movement, pressure and perspective shape the way we experience football, weighing red cards and gamesmanship, the appeal of informal football podcasts, and the public roles of artists and sports figures. Also why expectations weigh sooooooo heavily on players like Florian Wirtz.
Don't let art stand in your way of hating on City. Despite commitments to stuff like #FRIEZE and #musikprotokoll Orit and Luke still put in the hard hours watching the El Clàsascamo, #LIVMCI, as well as all the rest of the weekend's legal and illegal proceedings. They agree that football, like everything else, never was great, and will continue to be great. Luke eats Hendo Pie, and apologise to Jordan for calling him a makeweight. They munch themes of blame, forgiveness, the role of sound and visuals in shaping fan experiences, and the broader socio-political context of Manchesterism, and finally celebrate the love Match of the Year. Awww. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Festival Experience 03:07 Art Exhibitions and Football Connections 05:54 Liverpool vs. Manchester City Match Analysis 09:48 Comebacks and Match Tourism 12:59 Player Performances and Personal Anecdotes 17:00 Cultural Significance of Football 19:55 Hendo Pie and Player Narratives 32:06 The Cornerstone of the Team 32:48 Blame and Forgiveness in Football 34:20 The Cloud of Cheating 36:28 Sound and Experience in Football 39:32 The Role of AI in Fan Culture 44:22 Guilt and Responsibility in Football 46:06 Mathematics of Punishment 52:30 Manchester's Economic Reality 56:51 Purity in Football Experience 01:00:09 Romance in Football Commentary
Orit and Luke flick the imaginary calendar featuring the new boys (middle aged managers) in the 26/27 Premier League Season, grade their performances so far and get a bit judgey about their self-presentations. ALSO, hot updates on Dulwich Hamlets FA Cup onslaught, winsome wonders about blinking and high finance, and the latest "Nallo News" from the Finnish Veikkausliiga. Pull up!
International Rupture > Luke and Orit not watching the weekend's ungames, instead explore the forces shaping football beyond the pitch, beginning with Manchester City’s financial soup, and the long road toward a verdict. What really is it, this cheating? Sergio Ramos breaking Mohamed Salah in half in the CLF. Or funky accounting? Who's to say? These two fans. Then at pretty much 19:42, Ireland’s match against Israel and political footballing. Orit shares her perspective as someone born and raised in Israel who left as a teenager, and makes a rare voyage into Israeli media coverage of the crisis, and indeed the ungame. Luke gets weepy over Big Gavin and the Dunnes Stores strikers, but cuts the weepiest bits of that out. So that's 00:00 - 19:41: Money Laundering in Art v Football, Man City Hot Soup 19:41 - 42:39: #ISRIRL
Football, like life, is full of wins that look like losses, losses that feel like wins, and draws that somehow change everything. Luke and Orit break down the strange math of football, referee psychology, the poetry of the draw, and how confidence droughts might spread from one striker to an entire team. Also, are Spurs playing with supernatural forces?