Ep 267: The Man Who Sees Without Eyeballs (Live Demo) w/ Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan, Dalia Burgoin & Shaun Jordan

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This blind man with no eyes can identify a card lying face down under a box.

My guests are Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan, a Chinese medicine doctor who leads blindfold training for kids and adults; Dalia Burgoin, who teaches mindsight to sighted and blind students; and her student Shaun Jordan.

Shaun lost his sight at 4 and had his eyes replaced with prostheses at 13. He started training last October. In a double-blind study, he scored 100% across six trials of random shapes and letters, leaving the researchers in tears.

What struck me most was the first time he perceived his wife, less than a month in. She stood by a hospital window after his surgery, and he saw a split second of perfect detail. If he never sees anything that clear again, he’s content.

As Dalia puts it, you’re not learning that you can. You’re unlearning that you can’t.

Dr. Edith and Dalia credit Dalia’s daughter Lidu, a teen telepath, as the real teacher behind their work. When Dalia’s husband tested her, she started spelling the fruit he was thinking of, and he asked how to turn it off. Her answers about God, love, and the Hill are worth hearing twice.

You'll Learn:

[00:00] Introduction [3:46] Going blind at four and the belief that dimmed Shaun’s sight [14:38] No eyes, yet Shaun reads shapes whether they’re facing him or hidden [28:08] The spirit beings Shaun sees look human but move wrong [43:03] The split second of detail when Shaun first saw his wife [53:44] Dalia on unlearning that you can’t instead of learning that you can [1:09:59] Kids perceiving behind their heads and Dr. Edith’s take on ADHD [1:19:48] Shaun identifies objects and a face-down card hidden under a box [1:37:25] Releasing attachment, from Shaun’s breakthrough to my bent spoon [1:43:00] After decades of braille, Shaun spells words on a letter board [1:55:15] The telepathic messages from Lidu that brought Dr. Edith and Dalia together [2:10:00] Staying in both worlds at once and the beings Lidu meets at the Hill [2:20:33] Reading Dalia’s husband’s mind and Lidu’s instant ethics transfer [2:37:00] The deepest questions people have asked Lidu, and her answers

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Find more from Dr. Edith and Dalia:

Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan | Website Luminous Blindfold | Website Dalia Burgoin | Website

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Alec Zeck | Instagram | X The Way Forward | Instagram

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