
Show Notes
When we enter The Moon's lunar landscape of mists and shadows, it can be frightening. It's a whole Other world, and we're maybe not sure how to go forward. Kenn Payne, deck creator and Hekatean devotee, joins Victoria and Gwen for episode 19 of TABI's Tarot World podcast to help us find our footing. We discuss how The Moon asks us to look directly at illusion, persona, and hidden truths, and distinguish them from what is real, what we need to confront and address. What is your true face? And which is your reflection? Kenn points out that in popular culture, we often see Death or The Tower presented as cards to fear, but The Moon with its dreamlike un-logic and roots in our deepest, darkest selves, is maybe a more logical choice to be wary of. But does that mean we should "stick to the roads and keep off the moors"? *cue howling* Not at all. There is a vulnerability on this path, and there are no guarantees because who knows what's coming up out of the water, but there's hope and guidance, and the opportunity to look deeply and honestly at ourselves, our true selves, and resolve those fears as they appear in the moonlight. It's the only way to grow. Kenn discusses how in a reading The Moon directs us to take action and we talk about the moon's connection to Hekate, a cthonic goddess who watches as we cross between worlds — just like Mercury, whose influence we see in the Thoth interpretation — and Kenn and Victoria talk Divine devotion: what is it, and how we can express it. We look at The Moon in several decks, comparing the faces — phases? — in each of them. And we bring in crystals, plants and herbs, flowers and fragrances, and trees to bring everything back into the world we're a little more familiar with.
You can find Kenn on Instagram as @thehekateanwino He is the creator of 'Oracle of the Hekatean Path' and the forthcoming 'Tarot of the Hekatean Path'. You can also find Kenn on his YouTube channel, Ádyton of the Hekatean Path.
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