Vibe code vs no-code: Softr’s vision for the future of app building

This episode was recorded live at SaaStock Europe 2025. Alex Theuma sits down with Mariam Hakobyan, CEO and Co-founder of Softr, to explore the evolution of app building in the AI era.

Mariam explains why Softr is focusing on AI-powered no-code and why the companies that focus on solving real, hard problems will define the next generation of SaaS.

Alex and Mariam discuss how Softr’s journey to over 1 million non-technical builders, the debate around vibe-coded apps, how AI is transforming no-code, and what it really takes to build a product that lasts.

- The difference between vibe code and no-code platforms - How AI and no-code together are changing how teams build software - Softr’s organic growth story: 1M builders, zero sales team - Why solving fundamental problems still wins - The hardest challenge for SaaS founders today: distribution

Guest links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariamhakobyan/ Website - https://www.softr.io/

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