Grey Dynamics

From Improvised Rockets in Iraq to Drones Over Russia: Inside TECHINT with Travis Butson

Grey Dynamics

Show Notes

Your intelligence team can tell you who fired the rocket. Almost none of them can tell you what it was, how it was built, or what’s coming next.

That gap has a name: TECHINT. And it’s the least understood discipline in the entire intelligence world.

This week I sat down with Travis Butson. 15 years with the New Zealand Defence Force, Air Force intelligence, and the man who built our new TECHINT course.

There is no equivalent of this course anywhere. I’ve looked.

In this episode:

How Travis learned to think like the enemy, alone in an armoury with a Carl Gustaf and no doctrine to hold him back Tracking the adaptation cycles of improvised rocket systems in Iraq, and the Taji attack that changed how we think about insurgent capability Why one photo from a Chinese air show was worth more than classified reporting Op Spiderweb, drones, counter-UAS, and what happens when you underestimate a cunning enemy Why identifying a weapon system is the first minute of the job, not the job Inside the course: 15 modules, from the Battle of Thymbra to foreign materiel exploitation

Here’s the thing. Travis doesn’t just teach you to fish. He shows you how he fishes, then hands you the tackle box.

The course goes live on the 5th of July at the Grey Dynamics Intelligence School.

And that story about the Pantsirs in Sudan?

The one I couldn’t wrap my head around in 2023? You’ll want to hear how that ends. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

More from Grey Dynamics

Mar 20, 2026

Gabe Fanelli is back. Our Director of Training, 14 years active duty Army, Bronze Star recipient, SIGINT operator from West Africa to Syria, walks us through the new OSINT Operator Course, module by module.

Feb 6, 2026

Gabriel Fanelli is back on the Grey Dynamics Podcast, and this time as our new Director of Training.

Dec 12, 2025

Even trained intelligence professionals make critical OPSEC mistakes in their personal lives.

Oct 17, 2025

Welcome back to the Grey Dynamics Podcast. This week, we welcome back Raymond White, a former CIA senior case officer with over 25 years of experience in the field. Raymond spent his entire career as a case officer focusing on counter-proliferation and counter-terrorism, earning the nickname “The Snow Leopard” within the agency. He also served as head of the CIA’s enterprise training program for aspiring case officers. Raymond has now created what he describes as the most comprehensive Human Intelligence (HUMINT) course available anywhere. We spoke about the course structure, the psychology and ethics of espionage, historical case studies like Oleg Gordievsky, for whom the course is designed for, and the potential for in-person training

Sep 26, 2025

Welcome back to the Grey Dynamics Podcast. Today, we kick off season five guest lineup with Scott Ryder, a former operator of the 2nd Commando Regiment with more than twenty years of experience in the Australian Army, including multiple combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as domestic experiences with the Tactical Assault Group - East. Scott is not only a veteran but also an author. Today, we are covering some insights from his book “Forged in Fire: an Australian Commando's Story of Life and Death on the Frontline”, from the right way to write about special forces without compromising techniques and procedures to the real culture in tier one units.

See all episodes →