Two Psychologists Four Beers

Episode 119: The Future of DEI in Higher Ed (with Amori Mikami)

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Show Notes

It's been a tumultuous time for DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion) efforts in higher education. Whether due to political pressure, internal arguments, or both, many prominent institutions are revamping their DEI offices (or even eliminating them altogether) and rethinking DEI policies that once seemed unquestionable. Amori Mikami from the University of British Columbia re-joins the show to talk about the changes and what she thinks universities ought to be doing (as well as what she thinks we can do better).

Along the way, Yoel and Amori talk about the use of race and gender in hiring, diversity statements, October 7 and the Gaza war, and institutional neutrality (in short, this episode touches every third rail imaginable). There's some debate and some agreement, but most importantly we both finish our beers. Special Guest: Amori Mikami. Links: Amori Mikami - UBC Department of Psychology — Associate Head, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion

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