discussing misandry, white women, & Chinese lesbian representation in "Saving Face" (2004) dir. Alice Wu
The Lavender MenaceShow Notes
The opening question for Season 3 Episode 7: do you say "Sunny and Renaissance" or "Renaissance and Sunny"??? Following our typical three part structure, we discuss a listener submitted hot take, a movie we watched together, and recommend each other media. Our lovely patron Elle (we appreciate our patrons so much!! https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace) submitted a hot take about misandry, which led Sunny to bring up Men’s Rights Activists groups working on twisting civil rights law. You can find more info about what Sunny is talking about in this article: https://jezebel.com/men-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-on-campuses-are-suing-1848347194. Then, we discuss white women and misandry, and recommend the books They Were Her Property by Stephanie Jones-Rogers and Hood Feminism by Mikki Kendall. We go on to discuss the movie The Birth of a Nation, transmisogyny, and getting discriminated against for an identity you don't even hold. Renaissance complains more about male feminists and the desire for oppressed groups to have all the answers. For our shared media portion of the episode, we discuss Saving Face (2004) Alice Wu, which we mentioned in our previous episode. We compare our Letterboxd star ratings, and Sunny compares the movie to Lulu Wang’s The Farewell, and Wu's other movie The Half of It . Finally, Renaissance recommends HBO’s Big Little Lies, and Sunny recommends the books The Perks of Loving A Wallflower by Erica Ridley and Sabrina & Corina by Kali Fajardo-Anstine. Thank you for being a listener! You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, Letterboxd, and Patreon at The Lavender Menace Podcast.
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Are white queers entitled about their history and culture? Can femmes be nonbinary? And other pressing questions that our listeners, patrons, and substack subscribers have submitted to us... (Email us your hot takes at [email protected]!!!) Queer history is so so so important and most gay people do not know enough of it! The Persistent Desire: A Femme-Butch Reader edited by Joan Nestle is one of the most important lesbian history books ever BTW, especially for femmes and butches. Silvia Federici's 2004 book Caliban & the Witch: Women, the Body and Primitive Accumulation is a book all feminists, Marxists, and Marxist feminists need to read. The politics of magic, the witch hunts, and the relationship between European colonialism and the dispossession of women and workers are some of the topics this book thoroughly explores. We cannot recommend it enough. Check out Sunny's recommendation of Sophie Lewis's books (Abolish the Family, Full Surrogacy Now, & Enemy Feminism) and Sunny's interview with Sophie, and Renaissance's Letterboxd and their recommendation of the documentary Feminism Inshallah: A History of Arab Feminism. Disclaimer: we recorded this episode back in the spring.
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