Show Notes
Pastors and business leaders need each other—but too often, they don’t understand each other’s worlds.
In this episode, Andy Mason sits down with Randy Griffin, a former pastor, business owner, and current C12 Chair, to explore how we can bridge the gap between church and marketplace.
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You’ll discover:
What business leaders wish their pastors understood
Why business leaders are already doing ministry at work
What pastors wish business leaders understood about them
Why business leaders are more than donors or volunteers
Practical ways pastors can better equip marketplace leaders
How humility and mutual honor can strengthen both sides
Pastors don’t need to become business experts, and business leaders don’t need to become pastors. But each carries something the other needs.
It’s time to break down the sacred/secular divide, build the bridge, and equip believers to demonstrate the Kingdom of God everywhere—including Monday morning at work.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 — Why pastors and business leaders need each other 01:14 — Randy Griffin's journey from business to ministry and back 04:49 — What is C12? 05:00 — Helping CEOs recognize God as CEO 06:05 — Employees aren't just resources—they're people to care for 07:15 — Equipping pastors to unlock their business community 08:38 — What business leaders wish their pastors understood 10:00 — Are churches measuring the wrong things? 11:04 — Is a business leader's greatest value simply giving money? 13:32 — One simple thing pastors can do tomorrow 14:03 — Get out of the church and visit the workplace 15:53 — Practical questions pastors can ask business leaders 17:52 — What pastors wish business leaders understood 18:49 — The unseen heart and sacrifice of a pastor 20:49 — The key business leaders need: humility 22:11 — How a business leader can approach their pastor 23:33 — Why pastors don't need to have every answer 25:06 — Building the bridge between business leaders and pastors 26:31 — Why the sacred/secular divide needs to go 28:37 — An invitation for pastors and business leaders 29:40 — Closing
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