Clickfixed, Zero Trust World, and OpenClaw is out of control - but that's the point - Rob Allen - ESW #445

Interview with Michael Jenkins from ThreatLocker Securing AI on the Endpoint - Zero Trust or Bust Michael joins us for the first time to discuss strategies for securing the latest evolution of AI: local endpoint-based AI agents. Tools like Claude Code, OpenAI Codex, and Google AntiGravity give employees the power to build any software or workflow they can imagine, but what is the risk impact? These models aren't shy about adopting and downloading libraries, tools, and untrusted software to fulfill the goals they've been given. We explore how execution control and ringfencing can add some sanity and security to the process. This segment is sponsored by ThreatLocker. Visit https://securityweekly.com/threatlocker to learn more about them! Topic Segment: Anthropic Dreams of AI Replicants Of all the things AI labs could be researching or cooking up, I wouldn't have guessed AI worms distributing inference across smart TVs would be on the list, but here we are. Adrian, Tyler, and Ayman mull over this strange research. It is too loose to be an academic paper, but maybe should have been? Is really a pressing AI risk we should be worried about right now? Why did Anthropic choose to focus on smart TVs and not more powerful IoT devices? Weekly Enterprise News Finally, in the enterprise security news, we discuss the vibes certified organic books don't mess with criminals the history of ShinyHunters building strategies on the wrong lessons crypto wallet supply chain drama Hot refrigerators Reddit is great for breach tracking Microsoft patch Tuesday is on track to hit 12,000 patches by next April All that and more, on this episode of Enterprise Security Weekly. Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-481

Interview with Hadar Krasner, Co-Founder and CPO of Bold Security This week's interview with Hadar is a fascinating dive into the history of data security and why they chose to tackle endpoint-focused data security. We discuss why securing data is traditionally such a challenging task, making it clear why Bold is such a fitting name for the company. After 30 minutes, we barely scratched the surface and are hoping we can have them back soon for another interview! Segment Resources: https://www.bold.security/blog/endpoint-data-ai-human-risk-convergence https://www.bold.security/blog/what-is-real-time-endpoint-data-protection-bold-makes-it-a-reality This segment is sponsored by Bold Security. Visit https://securityweekly.com/bold-security to learn more about them! Topic - Don't Let AI Ruin Your Talk In this week's topic segment, we discuss the emerging epidemic of low-effort AI-generated slides. AI can definitely make slide creation less painful, but you still need to put some effort in to make a good looking deck that makes sense. If you don't, your audience WILL notice. Enterprise Security News Finally, in the enterprise security news, we discuss the Sawtooth problem cybersecurity is center stage in AI not everyone is a big fan of passkeys Ross Haleliuk is back with some interesting essays insider threats: sometimes the cybercriminal was inside your organization all along AI can now read your mind and as always, we'll kick off with the vibes All that and more, on this episode of Enterprise Security Weekly. Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-480

Interview with Aqsa Taylor Exaforce's Chief Security Evangelist, Aqsa, joins us to discuss the current state of the AI SOC and why it covers so much more than it did over 2 years ago, when our podcast first started covering this market. Exaforce also recently released AI Security and its ExaGo mobile app - we're very excited about the possibility of analyzing incidents at the grocery store! This segment is sponsored by Exaforce. Visit https://securityweekly.com/exaforce to learn more about them! Topic Segment - Regulating AI The AI industry's sandbox escapes have had a big impact on everyone and unsurprisingly, there's a bill proposing to ban some AI products and pause the development of others. It seems that, increasingly, as pro-AI and anti-AI groups become more polarized and divided, you could start an entire podcast that does nothing but fact-check both sides. We're an emotional species and it seems the more heated debate gets, the more folks on both sides are willing to straight-up fabricate things to help argue their points. Today's focus is this YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXsTCJl7sU4 It's the most on-the-nose type of propaganda - straight up claiming the government is going to break into your house and take your GPUs and LLMs. Could the bill proposed by Bernie Sanders and Greg Casar be characterized as extreme? Sure, but it's nowhere near as extreme as the title of the video, "They're Banning AI Servers at Home" suggests. The hardest things to swallow about the video: it characterizes Bernie Sanders as "the government", as if he's representative of most of the US government rather than an outlier that has little to no chance to get a bill like this passed it never mentions the fact that the bill establishes a model cutoff, measured in training effort (10^25 flops, which doesn't include the open weight models you're using at home, unless you have an 8x cluster of DGX Sparks - $40k+ worth of AI compute) Enterprise News Finally, in the enterprise security news, we check the vibes massive, connected funding NVIDIA OpenShell cars are still hackable a ransomware arrest turned into a murder investigation AI welfare All that and more, on this episode of Enterprise Security Weekly. Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-479

Interview with Christopher Crawley - The Value of SecOps This week, we talk to Chris Crawley about his new book, The Value of Cybersecurity Operations. Chris has been training teams on security operations for years, but found that students often struggled to justify the importance of secops training and even the need for secops in general. This book was written to more broadly arm practitioners with the information they need to communicate why security operations are necessary to leadership. The book is available in several forms: eBook, hardcover, softcover, and an audiobook read by Chris himself! You can pick all versions up here: https://shop.montance.com/collections/all and Security Weekly listeners get 50% off with code sw-50! The Evolving Exploitation of Trust with Josh Davies, Security Strategist at Fortra Fortra Intelligence and Research Experts (FIRE) is Fortra's emergent threat intelligence identity, created to unify research teams across multiple security disciplines and share intelligence with the wider threat intelligence community. FIRE co-ordinator and security strategist Josh Davies joins us to share insights from original FIRE research like Calphishing, Mirage2FA, RatPressto phishkit and heavily obfuscated campaigns that evade defences. While also digging into trends from big data analysis within phishing, fraud, social engineering and credential theft. Segment Resources: Art of Security Podcast Fortra Research This segment is sponsored by Fortra. Access FIRE Research here: https://securityweekly.com/fortrabh Why Agentic AI Security Requires a Defense-In-Depth Strategy with Kaushik Shanadi, CTO and Co-Founder of Helmet Security Many organizations are approaching agentic AI security by stitching together individual controls, assuming that identity, network, endpoint, or application security alone is enough. Each address only one part of the problem. As AI agents become more autonomous, move across systems, and take actions on behalf of users, organizations need a true defense-in-depth strategy that combines every layer of the security stack. Kaushik can discuss how each security layer provides a different piece of the puzzle and how individually, none of the controls are sufficient. But together, they create the layered governance needed to securely deploy agentic AI. For more information about Helmet Security, please visit https://securityweekly.com/helmetbh Above Security on Why Legacy Tools Don't Cut It for Modern Insider Risk with Tricia Howard, Head of Marketing at Above Security As organizations rush to adopt agentic AI, agents are often given broad access to critical business systems and sensitive data. Legacy insider risk management tools weren't built for this, and organizations have spent years on insider risk posturing and investments that leave security teams inundated with false positives while the real risk slips through undetected. In this segment, Tricia Howard draws on her decade in cybersecurity, including years watching user and entity behavior analytics (UEBA) overpromise and underdeliver, to unpack why understanding human – and now AI – intent is the missing piece. Segment Resources: Blog Post: Redefining Insider Threat Blog Post: What I wanted UEBA to be, Years Ago To learn more about Above Security and insider risk management in the era of agentic AI, visit: https://securityweekly.com/abovebh The Identity Crisis Your Security Team Didn't See Coming: Governing AI Agents with Darren Guccione, CEO and Co-Founder of Keeper Security AI agents outnumber human identities in enterprise environments, and traditional security software was never built to govern them. 89% of cybersecurity decision-makers recently surveyed by Keeper Security said that AI adoption has made identity management harder. In this Black Hat USA conversation with Cyber Risk TV, Darren Guccione, CEO and Co-Founder of Keeper Security, shares a practical framework for extending identity governance to non-hum

Interview with Rob Sadowsky from Cohesity Global Cyber Resilience Report: Cyber Recovery Plans Weren't Designed for this Moment Cyber recovery plans weren't designed for this moment. Most were built around assumptions that made sense when they were written: incidents could be understood, dependencies mapped, recovery could follow a predictable sequence, and decision-makers would have enough information to act. In practice, major cyber incidents unravel those assumptions. AI and autonomous agents are creating new paths to compromise, while cloud and SaaS expansion increases the systems, services, and dependencies involved in recovery. Vulnerabilities are discovered and weaponized faster than ever, and AI is accelerating that cycle. As incidents unfold, scope expands, dependencies appear only when they break, and recovery plans no longer match reality. With assumptions under greater strain, confidence is beginning to erode. This year, the percentage of survey respondents reporting complete confidence in their cyber resilience strategy fell. To understand how recovery unfolds today, Cohesity commissioned Vanson Bourne to survey 3,200 IT and security decision-makers at organizations with 1,000 or more employees across 11 countries. This report examines where recovery becomes more difficult than expected, the obstacles organizations encounter, how they define and test a Minimum Viable Company (MVC), and how AI is reshaping cyber threats and cyber resilience. https://www.cohesity.com/dm/global-cyber-resilience-report/ This segment is sponsored by Cohesity. Visit https://securityweekly.com/cohesity to learn more about them! Topic: When should we use AI for writing and when should we avoid it? I've had an essay in draft form for a month now, trying to get my feelings across on why AI writing drives me so crazy. I struggled to put it into words. Fortunately, Charity Majors figured out how to put it into words and I think she nailed not just how I feel about AI, but the reasons why I feel so strongly about it. She uses a scale to help explain this, with "personal" at one end and "functional" at the other. https://charity.wtf/p/confessions-of-an-unrepentant-slop When I ask AI to create a company profile for me, 10 minutes before I meet with them, I don't need poetry - just facts. But when I read something that is supposedly someone's opinions and analysis on a topic, and it's clearly 100% AI-generated, I angrily dismiss it. I love that this writeup isn't just an "I hate slop" rant - it actually quantifies why a personal touch matters and how to gauge when it is necessary and when outsourcing the task to AI is totally fine. In both cases, Charity notes that quality matters. My most recent complaints come from cases where things are not only clearly written by AI, but where quality went out the window and they're unrecognizable as a human-readable language. And yes, I brought an example: https://dispatch.cybersecurityhq.com/p/escalation-voided-on-construct-failure-timing-condition-placed-under-review Weekly Enterprise News Finally, in the enterprise security news, We check the vibes, funding, and acquisitions Tenable now has Mythos built-in??? We check in on how vulnerability remediation is going Microsoft is creating a code of conduct for AI OpenAI just got called to the principal's office Booz Allen created new cybersecurity AI benchmarks 50% of CISOs see Mythos as a sign to resign??? Ayman read the latest Anthropic AI misuse report MIT explains the 12 possible AI outcomes (very ominous) a 9-year old decided to promote his YouTube account… with his dad's corporate card All that and more, on this episode of Enterprise Security Weekly. Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-477