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🎧 This episode of What’s the Reason for This? Kodi and Shay drop back into the dungeon with Tonewood String Band for a no-holds-barred, laugh-heavy, deeply honest conversation about what it really takes to make a debut full-length album — from crowdfunding stress 😅💸 to studio self-doubt 🧠😵💫 to finally holding the finished record in your hands 💿🙌. Fresh off the release of Heart of the Pretender, the band reflects on a nearly two-year journey 🗓️🔥 that began with a Kickstarter, rolled through 60 hours in the studio ⏱️🎛️, and ended with a record they’re genuinely proud of — scars, growth, and all 💛🌱. The conversation pulls the curtain back on the realities of modern bluegrass bands trying to level up without losing themselves in the process. 🪕⚡ The band digs into: 🎶 Why they chose to crowdfund — and how much work actually goes into a Kickstarter 💪💵 🎛️ Recording at Swingfingers Studio with Aaron Youngberg — and why working with someone who speaks bluegrass makes all the difference 🎻🎚️ ⏱️ Tracking live in isolation with click tracks, layered takes, and producer Tyler Grant steering the ship 🚦🎧 🧠 The mental battle of studio perfectionism — self-doubt, breakthroughs, and learning when to trust the take 😤➡️😌 💿 How songs evolved in unexpected ways once recorded — including tracks that nearly didn’t make the album 😳✨ 📈 Why pre-saves, singles, playlists, and algorithms matter more than fans realize 🤖📲 — and how the “waterfall release” strategy actually works 🎤 The wild contrast between sold-out theaters 🎟️🔥 and nearly empty bar gigs 🍺😅 — and how the band stays grounded through both The episode also shines a spotlight on the unsung hero behind Tonewood’s visual world 🌈🖌️: Silver — the band’s manager, merch wizard, and resident artist. She shares how the album artwork was inspired by the title track, Bob Dylan’s “Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts” ♠️❤️, and grew into a full playing-card theme across singles, posters, and merch — all screen-printed by hand 🖐️👕. They also revisit the band’s Kickstarter cover-song rewards 🎁🎶, where fans funded the record by commissioning custom bluegrass versions of everything from Gordon Lightfoot 🌄 to Sly & The Family Stone 🕺💃 — essentially creating a second album while finishing the first. Absolute chaos. Absolute magic. ✨🪕 At its core, this episode is about commitment, community, and creative honesty 🌾🤝 — learning when to push harder 🚀, when to let go 🕊️, and how much independent music depends on fans showing up, buying merch 🛍️, pre-saving records 💾, and spreading the word 📢❤️. 🎧 Tune in for the laughs 😂, stay for the real talk 🎙️, and remember: support the bands in the trenches — that’s where the magic lives. ✨🪕
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🔥🪕 The Fretliners are back in the dungeon, and more importantly, their brand new album When the Kettle Sings drops TODAY. This episode is all about the record. We dig into the two-year process behind it, how the band wanted to capture something more raw and alive, and what happened when T Bone Burnett and Daniel Tashian helped bring that vision into focus. 🎙️🔥 Instead of building the album piece by piece, The Fretliners leaned into what they already do best: 🎻 Playing together in a room 🎙️ Gathering around a single mic 🚫 No click tracks 🎧 No headphones 📼 Real tape 🔥 Real performances They walked into the studio for three days and came out with 15 songs recorded, letting the imperfections, movement, and chemistry of the band become part of the record instead of trying to polish all of it away. We go track by track through some of the stories behind When the Kettle Sings, including: 🐢 “Snapping Turtle” and the actual snapping turtle that inspired it ❤️ “Stitch Up My Heart” and the deeply personal story behind the song 👻 The unexplained sound captured at the end of that recording 🎙️ Molly Tuttle joining them on “Josephina” 🎻 Stuart Duncan coming in and absolutely doing Stuart Duncan things 🌧️ The Grateful Dead connections hidden inside “Bells of Rafael” 🤠 Riders in the Sky appearing on “The Stone” 🔥 Why “Storms” went from a last-minute addition to the opening track And we talk about how this album represents where The Fretliners are right now after everything that has changed, evolved, and grown since their first record. There’s a lot of history on this thing. A lot of emotion. A lot of incredible players. But underneath all of it, When the Kettle Sings still sounds like four dudes standing around a microphone playing the hell out of some songs. And that might be the coolest part. 🎧 When the Kettle Sings is OUT TODAY. Go listen to the record. Go buy the vinyl. Go support the band. Then come hang out with us in the dungeon and hear how the whole damn thing came together. 🪕🔥🎙️ 👉 thefretliners.com
🌱🎻 Grassfed Bluegrass is growing up fast, and Riley and Miller came on WTRFT to talk about how the hell they’re pulling it off. They went from bluegrass fans and festival volunteers to building their own festival on the Outer Banks and basically learning everything as they go. 😅 We get into: 🎟️ Booking bands 🏕️ Finding the right venue 🍺 Beer, vendors and logistics 🚽 The extremely glamorous world of porta potties 📱 Social media and marketing 👕 Merch 🚗 Parking 💸 Ticket sales 😬 And the constant feeling of “oh shit, we actually have to make this happen” We also talk about how Billy Strings helped pull them deeper into bluegrass, how volunteering at other festivals taught them what happens behind the scenes, and why they’ve built Grassfed around community, quality, good people and doing things the right way. 🌱❤️🎶 And of course, we tell the story of how I met Riley and Miller… 🥶 Freezing in line in Asheville 🥃 Shooters 📜 A Billy Strings poster 😂 Me folding that poster directly in front of Miller 😳 Miller looking at me like she had just witnessed a felony Somehow, years later, those same people decided it would be a good idea to bring me in to emcee their festival. 🎤🔥 This year’s lineup is stacked: 🔥 ShadowGrass 🪕 East Nash Grass 🧭 Broken Compass 🏡 Front Porch 🎻 All She Wrote 🌹 Red Bud 🎶 Pickety Split 🚐 Podunk Ramblers Eight bands. Two stages. One day. 🌱🎶🔥 🎧 Full episode with the founders of Grassfed Bluegrass is live now 📍 Nags Head, North Carolina 🎟️ Use code WTRFT at grassfedbluegrass.com for discounted tickets Come for the bluegrass. Stay to find out why anyone thought giving me a microphone was a good idea. 😂🎤🌱
🔥 Water Tower 💦 finally made it into the dungeon and this one is equal parts bluegrass, punk rock, busking, internet chaos, and good old fashioned DIY hustle. These guys call themselves punk rock bluegrass, which sounds confusing until you hear the story. They started with traditional string music, punk rock roots, DIY flyers, busking on freeway off ramps, and a whole lot of figuring it out as they went. Then the pandemic hit, touring disappeared, and somehow that pushed them even harder into building a community online. 🎶 We get into: 🪕 How Water Tower went from square dances to punk rock bluegrass 🚦 Busking on LA freeway off ramps at 6 in the morning 🎻 How the current lineup found each other through busking and random musical collisions 🎸 Why Bela Fleck, Punch Brothers, punk rock, jazz, and old time music all somehow fit in the same universe 📱 How they built an online following without losing the human connection ❤️ Kenny’s approach to dealing with internet hate by giving people more kindness instead of more bullshit 📸 How Jessica became the secret weapon behind their content and helped turn the band into a digital machine 🤝 Collaborations with artists like Sierra Ferrell, Nick Hexum, John C. Reilly, and more 🎟️ The very real challenge of turning views into actual people buying tickets The funniest part might be that half this band basically met because somebody was busking in somebody else’s spot. 😂 But underneath all the chaos, this episode is really about community, persistence, and refusing to wait for permission. Water Tower built this thing from freeway ramps, sidewalks, livestreams, liquor stores, social media, and a lot of weird little moments that somehow kept stacking into something bigger. And through all of it, their whole philosophy is pretty simple: Love the music. Love the people. Keep showing up. ❤️🎶 🎧 New episode with Water Tower is live now Go watch it. Go listen to it. Buy the ticket before the day of the show. And if you see somebody busking on an LA off ramp at 6 a.m. maybe don’t ignore them. They might end up at Telluride. 😂🔥
🎸🔥 Jon Stickley finally made it onto WTRFT and this one goes DEEP. We talk Broke Mountain, learning bluegrass on the fly, the difference between East Coast and Colorado bluegrass, the influence of Jeff Austin, and what happens when a guitar player gets so good that he starts casually discovering new things he didn’t even know he could do. 😂 We also get into: 🪕 The absolutely ridiculous Broke Mountain lineup 🎶 Going from punk and indie rock to flatpicking bluegrass 🏔️ How Colorado changed the way he heard the music 🔥 Playing the Jeff Austin tribute and trading licks with Courtlyn 🥁 Why the Jon Stickley Trio basically said “nah” to the normal bluegrass rulebook 🎸 Building a sound around weird rhythms, different chords, and late-night festival chaos 🤝 Playing with Larry Keel and trying to make your heroes laugh onstage And then the episode takes a much more personal turn. Jon opens up about his son Callum, his STXBP1 diagnosis, and how his family turned one of the hardest moments of their lives into Strings for Callum, using the music community to raise awareness and money for research. ❤️ That part really says everything about this scene. When somebody needs help, people show up. We also talk about Jon’s new teaching platform, where he’s taking everything he learned the hard way and breaking it down for the rest of us regular wooks who need the video slowed down another 37 times. 😂🎸 🎧 New episode with Jon Stickley is live now Go watch it. Go listen to it. Support Team Callum. And if you’ve ever wondered how somebody becomes an absolute monster on guitar, apparently the answer is practice for 20 years and then still tell everyone you’re figuring it out. 😂🔥