#5 Jeronimo M.M. Unintended consequences of the psychedelic renaissance – and thinking beyond

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Episode 5: Jeronimo Mazarrasa, social innovation director at ICEERS.

This episode was recorded on March 6th, 2023. Video version: https://youtu.be/4NRy2fQQi2A Download mp3 on Soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/curiousonearth/5-jeronimo-mm Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3OD1IG3 Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/44jXKbe RSS: https://t.ly/GiVyo

00:00:00 Foreword 00:02:38 Introduction and Jeronimo's work with ICEERS 00:06:03 What is ayahuasca, and why is this a difficult question? 00:13:14 Ayahuasca as an adaptogen 00:17:40 Preserving and transforming traditions 00:22:51 Difficulties in integrating sacred plants 00:35:09 Yoga, meditation and the stripping of cultural contexts 00:41:48 The collective and communal aspects of ayahuasca practices 00:50:50 Local identity and ancestors 00:58:30 The dark side of glamorizing indigenous traditions 01:10:21 Modern initiation rituals 01:16:44 Psychedelics and the ethics of touch 01:22:54 The role of mentorship and apprenticeship 01:36:35 Tribes and tribalism 01:45:19 Relationships between indigenous and western cultures 01:51:46 Tourism destroys what it looks for 02:01:59 The tensions between individuals and communities 02:13:08 New age, globalization and populism 02:25:44 The unintended consequences of the psychedelic renaissance 02:44:19 After the renaissance, the enlightenment 02:51:33 Ayahuasca accidents, deaths and media panic 03:00:00 Envisioning a positive psychedelic future 03:07:57 Comparing ayahuasca to other risky activities 03:16:20 Proceeding slowly, responding to moral panics 03:24:31 Better ayahuasca practices 03:36:00 Ayahuasca and consent – tricky 03:42:55 The dangers of "ayahuasca told me" 03:55:24 Ayahuasca and narcissists 04:03:42 Brazilian ayahuasca churches 04:15:03 Infrastructural and financial aspects of ayahuasca churches 04:23:04 Innocently disrespectful psychedelic tourists 04:33:05 William Gibson and the starfish 04:41:11 The Ayahuasca Defense Fund 04:45:57 Meaning, disenchantment and psychedelic adaptogens 04:49:17 Psychedelics are hard to categorize 04:54:56 Jeronimo's separation ritual 04:56:51 Forgetting who we are 05:00:51 Short final questions 05:07:29 Afterword

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A collection of Jeronimo's talks and interviews https://t.ly/VURFn Jeronimo's film with Bruce Parry, Tawai: A Voice From the Forest https://www.tawai.earth Jeronimo's Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ayadox ICEERS: web page https://www.iceers.org/ ICEERS: Safety and Integration courses https://iceersacademy.mykajabi.com ICEERS: "Towards Better Ayahuasca Practices" guide https://t.ly/N4gAu ICEERS: Twitter https://twitter.com/NGO_ICEERS ICEERS: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weareiceers/ ICEERS: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ICEERS/ ICEERS: Telegram https://t.me/ICEERS ADF: Twitter https://twitter.com/DefendAyahuasca ADF: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/defendayahuasca/

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