Parker Lewis: Digital Credit, Bitcoin Treasury Companies, and Where We Disagree

Parker Lewis, Head of Business Development at Zaprite and author of Gradually, Then Suddenly, has been one of the clearest writers on Bitcoin as money for years. Lately he's been vocal about the Bitcoin treasury companies and the yield products built on them. I wanted to hear him out, but I also pushed back — because I think there's a version of these products that brings in people who wouldn't otherwise be here. We didn't land in the same place, which is what makes it worth your time. In this episode: Why Parker says the simplest way to save in Bitcoin is to own Bitcoin His answer to something I hear constantly: that Bitcoin is too volatile for most people His take on Digital Credit and whether it can work as an on-ramp for people who aren't ready to hold Bitcoin directly What he'd hold instead: a little Bitcoin, and the rest in...cash?? What the price of a ribeye steak over the last few years says about what's happening to your money Follow Parker Lewis on X https://x.com/parkeralewis ---- Order Natalie's new book "Bitcoin is For Everyone," a simple introduction to Bitcoin and what's broken in our current financial system: https://amzn.to/3WzFzfU ---- Thank you to our title sponsor LEDN. Borrow against your Bitcoin with Ledn, which has a perfect track record protecting over $11 billion in client value through every market cycle since 2018. And Tether Gold is now live on Ledn, giving you two of the most verifiably scarce, non-sovereign assets ever created, held side by side. Hard assets. Real flexibility. One platform. Get .25% off your first bitcoin-backed loan: https://www.Ledn.io/natalie ---- Bitdeer Technologies Group (NASDAQ: BTDR) powers AI and Bitcoin mining infrastructure with 3 GW of secured global energy — and owns the entire stack, from equipment manufacturing to data centers to proprietary orchestration software. Learn more at https://www.bitdeer.com. ---- Abundant Mines is a fully-managed Bitcoin mining in the U.S. You own the miners. You keep 100% of the Bitcoin. Voted #1 mining company by peers. Get 1 month of free hosting: AbundantMines.com/Natalie ---- Natalie's Bitcoin Product Partners: Speed is my go-to Bitcoin Lightning wallet! Send, receive, or swap stablecoins and digital gold into Bitcoin in one app. Run a business? Speed powers Bitcoin payments for Steak 'n Shake, and it can do the same for you. Download at https://speed.app/natalie and use code COINSTORIES10 for 5,000 free sats after your first transaction. Download Bitkey Today and use my promo code STORIES to get 10% off the new Bitkey. This episode has been sponsored by Bitkey: https://bitkey.world/STORIES Master Bitcoin self-custody and gain peace of mind with 1-on-1 training: https://www.thebitcoinway.com/natalie?utm_source=partner-natalie&utm_medium=podcast With BitcoinIRA, you can invest in bitcoin 24/7 inside a tax-advantaged IRA. Choose a Traditional IRA to defer taxes, or a Roth IRA for tax-free withdrawals later. Take control of your future with BitcoinIRA: https://www.bitcoinira.com/natalie Natalie's Upcoming Events: The best time to plan for Bitcoin 2027 is right now. Early bird tickets are live — grab the lowest pricing available and use code HODL for 10% off: https://tickets.b.tc/event/bitcoin-2027?promoCodeTask=apply&promoCodeInput=HODL Extra Services to Consider: Protect yourself from SIM Swaps that can hack your accounts and steal your Bitcoin. Join America's most secure mobile service, trusted by CEOs, VIPs and top corporations: https://www.efani.com/natalie Ditch your fiat health insurance like I did four years ago! I pay less than $200 and my health care is covered. Join me at CrowdHealth: www.joincrowdhealth.com/natalie ---- This podcast is for educational purposes and should not be construed as official investment advice. Ads in this episode are baked-in and may reference promotions or offers that are no longer available at the time of listening.