
Show Notes
What does it take to become the ultimate authority on classic car values? In this special vault episode, MotoMan sits down with Dave Kinney—the founder and the publisher of the Hagerty Price Guide. From a fateful, unfiltered conversation at a New York City Shake Shack in 2006 that completely altered MotoMan's career path, to Dave’s own wild journey of turning a 2.3 GPA and severe dyslexia into a prolific writing career for The New York Times, Octane, and Automobile magazine, this episode goes far beyond simple market numbers. Whether you want to understand market arbitrage, the real difference between fair market value and forced liquidation value, or simply need bulletproof advice on how to navigate the business world without being an a$$hole, Dave Kinney delivers decades of raw, unfiltered automotive & life wisdom. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Intro to Dave Kinney and the Man Who Writes the Book on Classic Car Values 00:01:04 - Vault Episode Context and the 15-Year Conversation 00:01:49 - The Shake Shack Conversation That Changed MotoMan’s Path 00:04:36 - Growing Up in Arlington and Learning to Listen 00:06:17 - Codebreaker Father, Lincoln Memories, and Winning the Parent Lottery 00:08:24 - The Car Wash Lesson Dave Never Forgot 00:10:16 - His Mother’s Lessons and a Teenage Cross-Country Van Trip 00:15:48 - Becoming a Car Kid Through Magazines, Models, and Family Cars 00:18:30 - What Dave Learned from His Father’s Entrepreneurial Side 00:20:41 - Working Around Exotic Cars at 16 00:23:35 - Five Plymouth Valiants and Dave’s First Car-Flipping Lesson 00:25:11 - Avantis, Early Profits, and Finding Value in Weird Cars 00:29:14 - Taking Trains to New York with Cash to Buy Cars 00:33:31 - College, Unusual Cars, and Early Market Instincts 00:41:59 - Coming Home, Real Estate Lessons, and the Parking Lot Business 00:45:56 - Contemporary Classic Automobiles and the $25,000 Move-Out Deal 00:50:46 - Why Dave Needed to Get Back Into the Car World 00:53:39 - How One Appraisal Question Turned Into a Career 00:56:09 - Keith Martin, Auction Seminars, and the Start of Automotive Journalism 01:01:12 - Auction Writing, Humor, and Making Car Stories Stick 01:03:54 - Writing for The New York Times, Octane, and Automobile 01:05:35 - Dave Kinney’s Three Rules for Writers 01:07:20 - How Cars That Matter Became the Hagerty Price Guide 01:10:29 - Monterey, Jay Leno, Michael Hagerty, and the Right Timing 01:13:23 - Building the Guide, Taking the Risk, and Stella’s Support 01:17:03 - What Hagerty Added: Data, Scale, and a Bigger Team 01:19:06 - What Dave Brought: Dealer Instincts and Real Market Conversations 01:21:20 - Fair Market Value, Liquidation Value, and Why Every Car Has Many Prices 01:23:51 - Bloomberg Terminals, Finance Companies, and the Future of Hagerty Data 01:26:42 - Why Price Guides Are a Tool, Not a Crutch 01:27:16 - Buying Too Early, Top-Quality Cars, and the Truth About Value 01:29:22 - Dave Kinney’s Three Keys to Success and Final Thanks
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