Cranky and Undervalued: Why You're Not Charging Enough for Your Art w/Shannon McNab

In this episode of Two Cranky Creatives, the Cranks tackle a question many artists quietly wrestle with: "Am I still an artist if I'm not making money?" Toni and Carrie break down the cultural pressure that ties artistic identity to income. They discuss why many artists feel ashamed of having non-art jobs and why that stigma ignores the financial reality of building a creative career. If you've ever questioned your legitimacy during lean seasons, this episode offers honest creative career advice and practical perspective for navigating creative challenges. This conversation isn't about gatekeeping the title of "artist." It's about redefining it. Toni and Carrie discuss how being an artist is a way of seeing and interpreting the world—not a job title or income bracket. The result is a grounded reminder that building a sustainable creative career rarely follows a straight line, and that financial stability can actually support long-term creative freedom. Want More Cranky? Join the Cranky Club on Apple Podcasts to get early access to every episode, completely ad-free. You'll also unlock the full archive — all past episodes, right at your fingertips. Strut Your Cranky Stuff! Let the world know you're not just creative, you're cranky too! We recently launched a line of merch on ​Bonfire​. Grab yours today! Two Cranky Creatives … Two Cranky Creatives is hosted by Carrie Cantwell and Toni Federico, two experienced art entrepreneurs who reveal the realities of making a living as a creative. Expect honest, unfiltered conversations about the challenges, victories, and everything in between when navigating the art world as a business. Whether you're a fellow creative entrepreneur deep into the hustle or just curious about the grind, join us every other week for candid conversations packed with practical advice that goes beyond the usual sugar-coated tips. This podcast is hosted by Libsyn. Host your podcast today (affiliate link).

This episode is sponsored by the Illustration Bootcamp. In this episode of Two Cranky Creatives, the Cranks sit down with artist and educator Liz Kohler Brown to talk about an unavoidable hurdle in the creative hustle: trolls. The comments. The drive-by insults. The "helpful" critiques that somehow feel like a gut punch. Together, they unpack how online criticism often reactivates old creative wounds. They also name what's really happening behind the screen: projection from abandoned creative dreams, bots chasing clicks, and the strange social disinhibition that makes people bold in ways they'd never be face-to-face. But this isn't an episode about spiraling, it's about strategy. Liz, Carrie, and Toni break down practical advice for navigating creative challenges online, from adopting a firm "Block & Delete" policy to redefining social media as a business tool rather than a validation machine. If you're building a creative career in public, this conversation is for you. Want More Cranky? Join the Cranky Club on Apple Podcasts to get early access to every episode, completely ad-free. You'll also unlock the full archive — all past episodes, right at your fingertips. Strut Your Cranky Stuff! Let the world know you're not just creative, you're cranky too! We recently launched a line of merch on ​Bonfire​. Grab yours today! Liz Kohler Brown… Liz Kohler Brown is an artist and designer who sells her artwork around the world on products like greeting cards, fabric, and wallpaper. She loves helping other creatives around the world learn how to find their style and sell their work inside her membership The Studio. lizkohlerbrown.com Get the Sell Your Stuff Field Guide Two Cranky Creatives … Two Cranky Creatives is hosted by Carrie Cantwell & Toni Federico, two seasoned art entrepreneurs who pull back the curtain on the highs and lows of making a living as a creative. Expect unfiltered, real talk about the challenges, victories, and everything in between that comes with navigating the art world as a business. Whether you're a fellow creative or just curious about the hustle, join us every other week for candid conversations that go beyond the usual sugar-coated advice. Thank you to our sponsors!

In this episode of Two Cranky Creatives, the Cranks take on one of the buzziest—and most misunderstood—concepts in the creative hustle: authenticity. Somewhere along the way, "being real" turned into a marketing tactic, where personal stories are packaged as conversion tools and vulnerability is used to close a sale. Toni and Carrie unpack why this trend feels off, how it breeds distrust, and why so many creatives feel pressured to perform relatability rather than actually live it. If you've ever felt the tension between showing up honestly and feeling like you're playing a role online, tune in and buckle up. But this episode isn't about throwing authenticity out the window—it's about redefining it. Toni and Carrie explore what genuine authenticity actually looks like. The takeaway is grounded, practical advice for navigating creative challenges in a way that protects both your audience and your own integrity. Want More Cranky? Join the Cranky Club on Apple Podcasts to get early access to every episode, completely ad-free. You'll also unlock the full archive — all past episodes, right at your fingertips. Strut Your Cranky Stuff! Let the world know you're not just creative, you're cranky too! We recently launched a line of merch on ​Bonfire​. Grab yours today! Two Cranky Creatives … Two Cranky Creatives is hosted by Carrie Cantwell and Toni Federico, two experienced art entrepreneurs who reveal the realities of making a living as a creative. Expect honest, unfiltered conversations about the challenges, victories, and everything in between when navigating the art world as a business. Whether you're a fellow creative entrepreneur deep into the hustle or just curious about the grind, join us every other week for candid conversations packed with practical advice that goes beyond the usual sugar-coated tips. This podcast is hosted by Libsyn. Host your podcast today (affiliate link).

In this episode of Two Cranky Creatives, the Cranks sit down with entrepreneur George McConnell to dismantle one of the most persistent myths in the creative hustle: that there's a magic formula for easy money. You've seen the ads promising huge returns for very little effort, and maybe you've wondered if you're the only one who hasn't cracked the code. George and the Cranks pull back the curtain on what actually builds a sustainable business, the mindset it takes, and the reality of it all. This is creative career advice without the fairy dust. But this conversation isn't just shattering fantasies; it's about what actually works. This episode is full of real numbers and real truths. The throughline? Navigating creative challenges requires sustained effort, reinvestment, and a mindset built for the long game. If you're serious about building a creative career that lasts, this episode is your loving reminder: there is no shortcut, but there is a strategy. Want More Cranky? Join the Cranky Club on Apple Podcasts to get early access to every episode, completely ad-free. You'll also unlock the full archive — all past episodes, right at your fingertips. Strut Your Cranky Stuff! Let the world know you're not just creative, you're cranky too! We recently launched a line of merch on ​Bonfire​. Grab yours today! George McConnell… George McConnell left the corporate world in 2019 with a vision to build something of his own. What started as a leap of faith turned into multiple million-dollar online businesses and over 800,000 products sold worldwide. By combining AI, automation, and modern marketing strategy, he built scalable systems that work across multiple industries. Now, he teaches driven entrepreneurs how to stop playing small, build real leverage, and create businesses that give them control over their time and income. Two Cranky Creatives … Two Cranky Creatives is hosted by Carrie Cantwell & Toni Federico, two seasoned art entrepreneurs who pull back the curtain on the highs and lows of making a living as a creative. Expect unfiltered, real talk about the challenges, victories, and everything in between that comes with navigating the art world as a business. Whether you're a fellow creative or just curious about the hustle, join us every other week for candid conversations that go beyond the usual sugar-coated advice. This podcast is hosted by Libsyn. Host your podcast today (affiliate link).

In this episode of Two Cranky Creatives, the Cranks sit down with Mindy Young of Indy Bloom Design to gently—but firmly—debunk one of the most persistent myths in the creative hustle: that design challenges and contests are the key to launching a creative career. Together, they unpack how creative challenges often function as a hamster wheel: producing rushed, unoriginal work, encouraging unpaid spec labor, and fostering a lottery mentality where artists hope one "win" will magically unlock success. If you're feeling exhausted from the endless pursuit, this episode is permission to stop chasing validation disguised as opportunity, to step away from the noise of endless briefs and trends, and to trust that your most powerful work comes from paying attention to your own instincts. The Cranks and Mindy talk about the quiet confidence that comes from choosing depth over volume, story over sameness, and learning over perfection. This isn't about doing less, it's about doing what actually matters. If you've been waiting for a sign that you're allowed to build your creative career on your own terms, this is it. Want More Cranky? Join the Cranky Club on Apple Podcasts to get early access to every episode, completely ad-free. You'll also unlock the full archive — all past episodes, right at your fingertips. Strut Your Cranky Stuff! Let the world know you're not just creative, you're cranky too! We recently launched a line of merch on ​Bonfire​. Grab yours today! Mindy Young… What began as a creative nap-time painting project turned into Indy Bloom Design™ — a thriving multi-six-figure art brand selling wallpaper and pretty products around the world. Mindy Young, the artist and owner, now helps artists start and build their own creative business from home when they learn how to get their art off paper and onto products with seamless pattern design. Mindy specializes in helping artists build unforgettable art brands to stand out in crowded markets. She is entrepreneur and marketing obsessed and thrives in helping others succeed in the art and pattern design industry. Two Cranky Creatives … Two Cranky Creatives is hosted by Carrie Cantwell & Toni Federico, two seasoned art entrepreneurs who pull back the curtain on the highs and lows of making a living as a creative. Expect unfiltered, real talk about the challenges, victories, and everything in between that comes with navigating the art world as a business. Whether you're a fellow creative or just curious about the hustle, join us every other week for candid conversations that go beyond the usual sugar-coated advice. This podcast is hosted by Libsyn. Host your podcast today (affiliate link).