
Show Notes
In this special guest episode from the podcast In the Meanwhile, co-hosts Marcus Harrison Green and Nora Kenworthy sit down with author and activist Ijeoma Oluo (So You Want to Talk About Race; Mediocre: the Dangerous Legacy of White Male America; Be a Revolution) for a searching conversation about movement work, harm, belonging, and the radical choice to stay. Together, they explore the personal cost of speaking truth, the wounds movements can inflict on their own, and what it means to build the world we long for now—not after revolution, but through the way we live, love, and struggle every day. It's a deeply honest conversation about survival, accountability, joy, and choosing community even when it hurts. Featuring: Ijeoma Oluo Credits: Making Contact Team Episode host and producer: Jessica Partnow Executive Director: Jina Chung Engineer: Jeff Emtman Digital Media Marketing: Lissa Deonarain
In the Meanwhile Co-hosts: Marcus Harrison Green, Nora Kenworthy Music: No Tears for a Wolf · Ahamefule J. Oluo · Okanomodé. Logo by Nikki Barron. Producer: Jessica Partnow Learn More: If You Decide To Stay | Behind the Book | Be a Revolution | So You Want to Talk About Race | Mediocre: The Dangerous Legacy of White Male America | In the Meanwhile Podcast | Making Contact is an award-winning, nationally syndicated radio show and podcast featuring narrative storytelling and thought-provoking interviews. We cover the most urgent issues of our time and the people on the ground building a more just world.
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