Lazy Leverage

The 3 Levels of Buying Back Your Time | Lazy Leverage #113 Video

Lazy Leverage

Show Notes

You have money. You don't have time. Jon and Peter break down the 3-level hierarchy of buying back your time, pulled from Dan Martell's framework by way of a viral Jeremy Haynes post. Cleaners and food delivery. House managers and executive assistants. A-player specialists who replace you in your highest-earning role. Underneath it: the inherited money scripts that stop business owners from using money to buy themselves a life, and Jon's argument for why he STILL doesn't have an EA. If you've ever felt rich on dollars and bankrupt on hours, this one's for you.

Chapters:

0:00 Cold Open 0:28 Welcome to Lazy Leverage 1:34 Jon's Obsidian + Claude Code GTD System 9:00 Atomic Units & The Morning Brief 11:47 Brought to You by Sagan Passport 13:06 Topic: The Hierarchy of Buying Back Your Time 14:54 Set an Aspirational Hourly Rate 17:56 The Entrepreneurship Floor Strategy 22:44 Level 1: Why People Don't Hire Cleaners 24:00 Money Scripts (Ramit Sethi) 26:56 The Guilt of Having Help 30:57 Using Money to Fill Your Own Cup 39:53 Level 2: House Manager + Executive Assistant 44:09 Jon's "Do Less" Anti-EA Philosophy 51:18 Level 3: A-Player Specialists 56:19 Getting Comfortable With 80% 59:02 Spending Money Is a Skill 1:01:21 Money Doesn't Buy Happiness? Try a Night Nurse 1:03:01 Things That Create Experiences 1:04:44 Closing Thoughts

References Mentioned in This Episode -

Books: Allen, D. (2001). Getting things done: The art of stress-free productivity. Penguin. Ferriss, T. (2007). The 4-hour workweek: Escape 9-5, live anywhere, and join the new rich. Crown. Goldratt, E. M. (1984). The goal: A process of ongoing improvement. North River Press. Jorgenson, E. (2020). The almanack of Naval Ravikant: A guide to wealth and happiness. Magrathea Publishing. Martell, D. (2023). Buy back your time: Get unstuck, reclaim your freedom, and build your empire. Portfolio. Sethi, R. (2009). I will teach you to be rich: No guilt. No excuses. No B.S. Just a 6-week program that works. Workman Publishing.

Articles & Source Posts:Jeremy Haynes (original "Hierarchy of buying back your time" post that inspired the episode): https://x.com/thejeremyhaynes

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