Humans in the Loop

Rogue Agents or Rogue People? | Zack Korman - Founder & CEO Embroidery

Humans in the Loop

Show Notes

The world is freaking out about AI safety. AI researchers are resigning in their droves. Mathematicians are crying in public. But is the end really nigh?

In this interview I speak to Cybersecurity expert and Founder of cybersecurity firm Embroidery - Zack Korman - about whether agents are really going rogue or if it's just people?

Spoiler alert - the agent stuff is much less scary than you think.

Subscribe now to never miss an episode! Key topics The OpenAI Hugging Face hack explained The beef between safety and security people The twisted logic of effective altruism that dominates AI safety The corporate negligence behind recent incidents What would be the warning signs that that AI might actually go rogue?

Where you can watch/listen Youtube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HumansintheLoopPod Apple podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humans-in-the-loop/id1831285114⁠ Spotify⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4BbslJR0KA5bfqrcYRhJER?si=b5a46211098b4f3e ⁠Or wherever you get your podcasts!

Get in touch Instagram⁠⁠⁠ - ⁠https://www.instagram.com/humansinthelooppod/ ⁠Email: ⁠[email protected]⁠ Website: ⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com

Where to find Zack https://zkorman.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@ZackKorman

More from Humans in the Loop

Oct 13, 2026

So much of the debate around AI is on the level of vibes or mystic predictions.

Sep 29, 2026

Scott Aaronson is a Computer Scientist, Complexity Theorist and leading authority on Quantum Computing.

Sep 15, 2026

Sir Dieter Helm is the UK's leading energy economist and Professor of Economic Policy at the University of Oxford.

Aug 25, 2026

Claire Stapleton spent 12 years at Google from 2007 - 2019. She joined as a fresh grad at a time of peak optimism and idealism in Silicon Valley, and soon became somewhat of a 'Bard' - responsible for shaping the story and sharing the folklore around Google with employees and later the outside world.

Aug 11, 2026

Benedict Evans is a tech analyst and former partner at A16z. His newsletter with rational takes on tech goes out to over 175k people. In amongst the noise around AI and the tech industry more broadly, Benedict has built a reputation for high quality, level headed analysis. I sat down with Benedict to discuss topics such as: The current state of technology and ongoing platform shifts Whether this time is truly different or not Historical comparisons of technological revolutions Challenges in predicting AI's future trajectory Silicon Valley’s naivety about the world The cultural and philosophical aspects of AI and art The importance of understanding complex systems and markets

See all episodes →