Neo-Nazism Is Entering Evangelical Spaces — and Who's Fighting Back | Ep. 38

Last week, a neo-Nazi publishing house called Antelope Hill set up a vendor booth at a Christian conference in Ogden, Utah — and sold out. The conference was called "The War for Normal." It was organized by pastor and media figure Joel Webbon's New Christendom Press and hosted at Refuge Church by pastors Brian Sauvé and Eric Conn. Among the materials displayed and sold: The Essential Speeches of Adolf Hitler, an SS commander memoir titled Burning Souls, books originally published by the SS Main Office, handouts recommending The Turner Diaries — the neo-Nazi novel that inspired the Oklahoma City bombing — alongside swastika jewelry and literature promoting Cosmotheism, a pagan Nazi religion that places the Aryan race at the top of the natural order.

When the story broke, pastor Sauvé said on the record he had "no problem" with Antelope Hill's publications. That same evening, pastor Conn posted a video to his X account featuring a Sieg Heil, Hitler Youth imagery, the founder of the American Nazi Party, and an SS officer confirming Adolf Hitler was "one hundred percent" his hero. Joel Webbon posted that he would "never" criticize the conference organizers — and then, days later, posted about Jews: "They killed the Prophets. They killed the Lord Jesus. Paul calls them 'the enemies of all mankind.'"

The same week, Tucker Carlson published a 100-minute interview with theologian JD Hall — with Webbon in the studio — titled "The Corrupting Lie of Christian Zionism." In the episode, Hall argued that Christian Zionism is a 19th-century invention rooted in John Nelson Darby's dispensationalism and propagated by the Scofield Reference Bible, which he describes as effectively a Zionist operation. Hall calls Israel "a desert war cult," claims modern Judaism is a post-Temple invention with no continuity with the religion of the Old Testament, and characterizes certain Jewish prayers as prayers for the destruction of Christians.

But Hall didn't stop at reframing the Jewish relationship. He went further — reframing Islam as a friend to Christianity. Hall claimed that Muslims "love Jesus." He revised the documented history of the Ottoman Empire, characterizing Muslim rulers as having been "very kind to Christians." And he argued that the reason Christians and Muslims don't get along is because of — in his words — "Jewish talking points that you see on the television and the news."

These two events — Ogden and Tucker's studio — are not separate stories. They are the visible surface of a years-long ideological shift: from Israel is our ally to Jews are our enemies — and now, Muslims are our friends. The theological arguments Hall makes have ancient roots. The problem is where the same men making those arguments also stand.

Doug Wilson — one of the most prominent figures in Christian nationalism — asked the right question after Ogden: why did Antelope Hill think there was a healthy market for their books at a Christian conference? Tonight, we answer that question.

Joining Jeremy for this live panel:

JON HARRIS (@jonharris1989) — Host of Conversations That Matter and author of Against the Waves (2025), Christianity and Social Justice (2020), and Social Justice Goes to Church (2021). MDiv from Southeastern Seminary. Ordained pastor. Has spent a decade tracking ideological infiltration of evangelical and Reformed spaces — first from the progressive left, now from the ethnonationalist right. Tonight he traces the intellectual genealogy of this movement and names the institutional failures that allowed it to take root.

WILL SPENCER (@willspencer) — Stanford-educated. Grew up Jewish. Baptized 2020. Member of Reformation Presbyterian Church in Mesa, Arizona. Host of The Will Spencer Podcast and author of the most important document on this subject: "The Dangerous Secret Your Young Men Are Keeping: Neo-Nazi Thought Has Entered the Church" (Christ Over All, June 2025). In early 2024, Spencer nearly got pulled into the Stone Choir orbit — and came b