Show Notes
What are the implications of the discovery of the chemical variation of water, nicknamed “The 4th phase”? What does the new structured chemical composition mean for the storage of energy and information? What can we learn from the discovery that electrical charge plays a role in the way water moves and transports other molecules? In this episode we have the fascinating new science of water to get into, particularly the research around the discovery of the gel-like chemical variation of water, nicknamed the “4th phase”. It occurs when water gets close to water friendly surfaces, and as it changes chemical structure, it separates into positive and negatively charged components. So we find out how this particular form of water is used by nature; how its structure can be ‘charged’ by infrared energy from the sun like a solar cell, becoming an energy source that can do work. We also separate the wheat from the chaff on the controversial ‘memory of water’ claims of Maseru Emoto and Nobel prize winner Luc Montagnier; and we discuss why there is so much resistance to this research despite the ubiquity and importance of water in biological systems. Fortunately to navigate this cutting edge research and avoid wishful thinking, we have the director of Pollack Labs at the University of Washington, one of the most established lab’s studying water in the world, Bioengineer, professor Gerald Pollack. He is the author of over 300 scientific papers, and four books for the general public including ‘Cells, Gels and the Engines of Life’, ‘The 4th Phase of Water’ and his new book just out ‘Charged - the unexpected role of electricity in the workings of nature’.
What we discussed: 00:00 Intro. 10:00 The role of electricity in nature. 15:25 The Earth has a negative charge & the ionosphere positive. 19:00 The old consensus on water. 23:00 Gilbert Ling - cellular water is charged and so the molecules stack. 26:15 The transition of chemical structure when in contact with hydrophilic surfaces. 27:45 Exclusion-Zone Water = Liquid Crystal Water. 32:45 Changes chemical structure and electrical charge. 35:00 Add light or electrons to build EZ Water. 37:30 Grounding - is there any evidence? 38:20 It’s an energy source, a battery charged by infared light. 42:15 The difficulty raising money for ideas that go against the consensus. 46:15 The threat to an old world view. 48:30 The Brownian motion criticism of the data. 49:00 Electrical energy generation in cells. 56:00 The cardio vascular, blood flow energy issue. 01:05:45 We’ve misunderstood membranes. 01:13:00 The gel itself might be a barrier. 01:14:00 Purification of water using the exclusion process. 01:19:00 Difficulty getting business funding for the applications. 01:24:00 Cancer cells have a lower negative charge. Perhaps a lack of EZ water. 01:26:00 How information is stored in structured water. 01:31:00 Luc Montagnier - water claims confirmed in 3 studies. 01:39:00 Jacques Benveniste - dubbed ‘water memory’. 01:40:30 Masero Emoto - Dean Radin confirmed his result. 01:44:45 Non-verbal communication. References: Gerald Pollack, “Charged: The Unexpected role of electricity in the workings of nature” Gerald Pollack, “The Fourth Phase of Water” Earth’s negative charge, Richard Feynman Volume II, Chapter 9 of The Feynman Lectures on Physics, titled "Electricity in the Atmosphere”. Gilbert Ling - Polarised-Oriented Multilayer Theory Harold Hillman - ‘A radical reassessment of the cellular structure of the mammalian nervous system’
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