Constant Wonder

How to Find a Flow State on the Waves (and in Life!)

Constant Wonder

Show Notes

Hugo Tagholm describes the transcendent connection between a storm at sea and a surfer sitting, many hours later, on a board. Using surfing as a metaphor for life, Tagholm urges us to show up for each other—and for the Earth—as our best-prepared selves. His is a message of hope for all of us on "Planet Ocean."

Guests: Hugo Tagholm, Executive Director of Oceana UK Katherine May, author of "Enchantment: Awakening Wonder in an Anxious Age"

Photo Credit: Nick Pumphrey

CHAPTERS (0:00) Introduction (4:55) Hugo's childhood (9:39) Surfers Against sewage (17:36) The wonder of surfing (25:32) Conserving the oceans (35:05) Katherine May's quest for enchantment and wonder

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