Conversations with John Lane - Episode 7: Electing a Pope; Understanding heresy and how to safely make judgements on whether a person is a public heretic in fact.
Conversations on the CrisisShow Notes
Louie Verrecchio and John Lane explore both the practical and theological dimensions of conclaves, papal elections, and the nature of heresy, grounding the discussion in classical ecclesiology and historical precedent. The conversation opens with the question of whether the current College of Cardinals—many of whom publicly profess errors—could validly elect a true pope. John explains the nature of the Church as a perfect society and mechanisms by which a true Pope might be elected including; election by acclamation; an imperfect general council and; election by the clergy of Rome. Louie raises the concern as to whether cardinals who have severed themselves from the Church by public heresy could elect a Pope. Lane clarifies that jurisdiction is not “supplied” for papal elections, because election is not an act of jurisdiction but a designation of the man to whom God grants the office. They then discuss the nature of heresy and how it has been redefined in the 1983 Code of Canon Law to mean something different to the traditional meaning. John provides examples of the different types of heresy and how the Church judges the fact of heresy by external acts. Louie asks whether a doctrine must be solemnly defined to be de fide. John explains that the universal and ordinary magisterium is equally authoritative as a solemn definition and that many doctrines were held universally long before being solemnly defined and yet heretics still existed. Therefore, a proposition condemned by Trent with “let him be anathema” is indeed heretical, even if the contrary proposition has not been separately defined as divinely revealed. The discussion highlights how modern apologists attempt to evade this conclusion by redefining heresy or requiring impossible standards of proof. Modern Catholics often confuse judging external facts (objective) with judging a soul (internal forum, known only to God). John stresses that Catholics must apply the Church’s principles when judging public facts, not invent their own standards.
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