Show Notes
Do to a dog what we do to a factory-farmed pig, and you’d be arrested. Do it to ten thousand pigs in a shed, and it’s breakfast. Most of us say cruelty to animals is wrong. And then most of us are happy to have them killed and eat them. Both our panellists think the way we treat animals is a moral catastrophe. But they get there by opposite roads. One says animals matter because they suffer. The other says they matter because they’re God’s creatures. GUESTS: Peter Singer Emeritus Professor of Bioethics, Princeton University. Host of the podcast Lives Well Lived. 50 years ago exactly, his book Animal Liberation launched the modern animal liberation movement as we know it. David Clough Professor of Theology and Applied Sciences, University of Aberdeen. Author of the two-volume work On Animals. He’s a Methodist Preacher and Co-founder of CreatureKind which aims to transform Christian attitudes and practices toward animals.
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We live in a universe that sustains life – but what are the chances of that? And scientists now believe that if the laws of physics were different by just a fraction – our universe would be either empty, simple, or long ago extinct. If the strength of gravity or the mass of an electron was different by even the tiniest amount, the universe as we know it would not exist. So tiny even that the difference itself is almost beyond comprehension. Why has this cosmic fine tuning come about? The philosophical and even religious implications are so profound, that this is one of the most exciting questions in astrophysics. This is our final in our short series on science, religion and belief. Over the past 3 weeks we've explored the relationship between science and religion, the persistence of the idea of creationism...and now...why are we here at all? Can science ever answer that fundamental question? And it’s so exciting that this week on the God Forbid panel, we have two internationally acclaimed astrophysicists to tackle this and much more. GUESTS: Luke Barnes - Senior Lecturer and astrophysicist at Western Sydney University Geraint Lewis - Professor of astrophysics at The University of Sydney This program was made on the land of the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation It was first broadcast in August 2025
Charles Darwin published his theory of evolution nearly 170 years ago. So why are there still creationists? While mainstream Christianity holds that evolution and faith are compatible, a minority of Christians believe they are not. Last week on God Forbid we looked at the entangled relationship between science and religion, and how, when the scientific revolution began, the two not always but often worked in harmony. Priests were sometimes themselves scientists. And scientists often saw themselves as trying to understand God’s creation. But in the 20th and now 21st century, observation and measurement is left strictly to science. Values, and the world unseen is the realm of religion and philosophy. Yet for a minority of believers – the new arrangement does not work. They insist on a forced and literal mixing of two. GUESTS: Jonathan Marks is Professor Emeritus of Biological Anthropology at the University of North Carolina Charlotte. Author of Why Are There Still Creationists? Russell Blackford is philosopher of religion and science from the University of Newcastle. Author of op ed "Why Does Fundamentalism Persist?" will appear in the Dec/Jan edition of Free Inquiry – the Journal of Secular Humanist Ideas. Books include 50 Great Myths About Atheism and his latest, How We Became Post-Liberal: The Rise and Fall of Toleration
In 1927, a Catholic priest told Albert Einstein the universe was expanding. Einstein though that was a crazy idea. But the priest was right. And when the Pope claimed this as proof of creation, the tables were turned again. The priest told the pontiff, keep your religion out of my physics. There’s the simple idea that we had religion to explain the world, until we upgraded to science, which did the trick far more effectively. But as the priest and Einstein anecdote illustrates, that simple idea does not explain the very complex story: the relationship between science and religion. Nick Spencer is Senior Fellow at the London think tank Theos. His latest book is The Landscapes of Science and Religion – What are we disagreeing about? Peter Harrison is Professorial Research Fellow at the University of Notre Dame Australia and Emeritus Professor at UQ. His latest book is Some New World: Myths of Supernatural Belief in a Secular Age They’ll both be Keynote speakers opening the 2026 ISCAST biennial Conference on Science and Christianity. This program was made on the lands of the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation.
The world has trust issues with its media. Three in five Australians trust TV and radio news, and what's in the newspapers. But in North America it is fewer than three in ten. Are we doing something better here, OR are we just a decade behind them? Is it an economic problem? After all, ownership of our media has been contracting to just a few players. That alone has had some huge implications for the quality of news and who it speaks to. The online podcast world has arguably meant a democratisation of the way people are finding their news. How can lost trust in media be regained? GUESTS: Tara Henley, Canadian journalist, broadcaster and author of "The Trust Spiral" Jonathan Holmes, journalist, writer, former ABC TV presenter and broadcaster Scott Mitchell, former ABC journalist and now co host of the podcast "Lamestream" This program was recorded on the lands of the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation
Is intolerance tightening its grip on public life? The twentieth century was among the most intolerant in human history; the Holocaust, Stalinism, empires collapsing in blood. So why, in the twenty-first century, is tolerance still so elusive? In the final episode of a two-part series on toleration, God Forbid looks at the ever-growing allure of tribalism, cementing division along contentious political fault lines. Guests: Dr Shaun Blanchard, Senior Lecturer in Theology, University of Notre Dame Australia. Author of the forthcoming Catholicism and Enlightenment. Dr Devleena Ghosh, Professor, School of Communication and Social Sciences, University of Technology Sydney. Dr Abdullah Kunde, Founder and President of the Muslim Debate Initiative Australia. This program was made on the lands of the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation