Tom Oord / A Systematic Theology of Love

What if freedom isn’t simply escaping pain, fear, or religion—but finally becoming who you were created to be? In this conversation, Jason and Bob Hamp explore the transformational difference between living for God and living from God, why relief is only one stop on the journey to freedom, and how hearing God’s voice untangles the wounds, lies, and false identities that keep the real you hidden. Together, they reimagine discipleship as more than gaining information—it is learning to receive the life of God, rest in His affection, and live as the truest expression of yourself.

In this deeply moving conversation, Jason sits down with author and minister Terry Tripp to explore what happens when we allow Jesus—not fear, religion, or retribution—to reveal exactly what God is like. Terry shares his journey from growing up on TBN and traveling millions of miles in ministry to discovering the absolute goodness of God, including the sacred moment with his dying father that completely redefined ministry for him. Together, they reconsider the stories of Moses, the woman caught in adultery, and especially Judas—asking whether the church leaves broken people with hope or a rope. This is a powerful conversation about union, grace, identity, the end of separation, and a Father who never stops calling us His friends.

Bob Switzer returns for a conversation about reading Scripture through one life-changing conviction: God has always been as good as Jesus reveals. Together, Jason and Bob revisit Moses, Jericho, Ananias and Sapphira, and Jesus clearing the temple, exploring what changes when we question the violence attributed to God and recognize the humanity of our biblical heroes. They discuss the freedom to ask questions, trust beyond the need for certainty, and discover a God who is already present with the people we hope to reach. Bob also shares how caring for six eleven-year-old boys is teaching him the long game of love—an affection that keeps showing up, even when it’s resisted.

Chris E.W. Green joins Jason for a rich conversation about the goodness of God, the beauty of our humanity, and the healing love revealed in Jesus. Together, they explore how bad theology can contradict what our hearts already know, why sin is better understood through the lens of sickness and healing than punishment and shame, and what it means to be made in the image of the One who heals the world. Chris also reflects on mystery, certainty, prayer, suffering, and the difference between optimism and genuine hope—a hope rooted not in where the world appears to be heading, but in the unchanging goodness of God.

In this episode, Jason sits down with BEMA Podcast host and author Marty Solomon for a wide-ranging conversation about Scripture, deconstruction, the cross, and the inherent goodness of being human. Marty shares how reading the Bible through its historical and Jewish context revealed a God who has always looked like Jesus—and why deconstruction, done well, is not about destroying faith but preserving something beautiful. Together, they explore nonviolent atonement, covenant as relationship rather than transaction, the problem with total depravity, and the hopeful truth at the heart of Marty’s new book, The Gospel of Being Human: our humanity isn’t something God wants us to escape; it’s something Jesus came to restore.