The Circular Economy Show Podcast

Is it game over for the CSO?

The Circular Economy Show Podcast

Show Notes

In this episode Lou is joined by Mark Lancelot from Better Business Design. Together, they unpack how the traditional role of the Chief Sustainability Officer is changing to survive, and how we might reshape the narrative around sustainability and circular economy goals to land positively in our global boardrooms.

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