Everything Belongs: Living the Teachings of Richard Rohr Forward

Type 5: Wise Wallflowers with Morgan Harper Nichols

Everything Belongs: Living the Teachings of Richard Rohr Forward

Show Notes

In this episode, Fr. Richard Rohr introduces us to the qualities associated with Enneagram Type Fives, including self-criticism, detachment, curiosity, and the ability to live with uncertainty.

We're also joined by Morgan Harper Nichols — a poet, musician, and artist with a devoted online following. Morgan shares how creativity can help uncover and express what is already within us, and the ways in which head types uniquely convey their emotional complexity . As a Five, she finds it beneficial to emphasize experimentation, play, and to embrace life’s unexpected turns.

Listen now to explore how to approach self-understanding with curiosity and remain open to mystery.

Find the transcript for today's episode here.

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