
Show Notes
In this episode, Dr. Mike Hart sits down with Lee Whitley and physician Dr. Ira Price for a wide-ranging discussion about Lee's proprietary cannabis formulation and the extraordinary cancer-treatment claims surrounding it. Lee shares his own experience with stage IV squamous cell throat cancer, patient case stories, oral and injectable applications, dosing, and alleged pharmaceutical acquisition offers, while Dr. Price separates what he has personally observed from what has yet to be established through rigorous research. The conversation explores cannabinoids, THC, CBD, terpenes, chemotherapy and radiation, pathology and imaging, the limitations of anecdotal evidence, and the regulatory, funding, and data-access barriers standing between individual case reports and credible clinical trials. Lee Whitley is an entrepreneur and the creator of Lee's Oil and Lee Helps, a cannabis-based project that grew out of his personal experience with cancer and his years of developing and refining a proprietary cannabis formulation. He has since become an outspoken advocate for studying the results he says he has observed through formal clinical research. Dr. Ira Price is a physician with nearly two decades of experience prescribing cannabinoids and researching medical cannabis, including published work on cannabis for opioid substitution and years of lecturing internationally on cannabinoid medicine. Together, Whitley and Dr. Price bring two very different perspectives to the conversation—one shaped by personal experience and unconventional experimentation, and the other by clinical practice, scientific skepticism, and a focus on evidence, regulation, and properly designed trials. Lee Helps / Lee's Oil — Lee Whitley https://leehelps.com/ Cannabis for Opioid Substitution Trial (COST) — Dr. Ira Price / Cannabis Research Associates https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT03859089 Cannabis Research Licensing — Health Canada https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/industry-licensees-applicants/research-licensing-application.html
Clinical Trials With Cannabis — Health Canada https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/drug-products/announcements/notice-clarification-requirements-conducting-clinical-trials-cannabis.html Human Health Therapeutics Research Centre — National Research Council Canada https://www.nrc.canada.ca/en/research-development/research-collaboration/research-centres/human-health-therapeutics-research-centre
Prescribing Drugs Policy — College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario (CPSO) https://www.cpso.on.ca/physicians/policies-guidance/policies/prescribing-drugs 4-Year-Old Cancer Case With 132 Tumors — Lee Whitley / Shit My Dad Taught Me https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1323-shit-my-dad-taught-me-264023145/episode/ep-22-lee-whitley-286273525/ Lee Helps Cancer & Melanoma Testimonials — Lee Whitley / Lee Helps Oil https://www.leehelpsoil.com/
Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to the Hart2Heart Podcast 00:29 Claimed Cure Rates 01:59 Doctor Skepticism 03:47 Four Year Old Case 06:40 Colon Cancer Testimonial 09:43 Lee Cancer Story 14:28 Injection Timeline 16:00 Formula Breakdown 18:28 Terpenes Explained 21:29 Rick Simpson Comparison 24:52 How It Works 27:43 Chemo Radiation Debate 33:20 Injections Vs Pills 36:42 Research Roadblocks 44:03 Trial Plans Abroad 44:34 30 Women Trial Plan 46:02 Study Design Debate 47:23 Dosing Protocol Details 48:43 Big Pharma Buyout Claims 51:50 Suppression And Threats 55:12 What Happens After Success 57:59 Finding Patients And Reach 59:48 Treating More Than Cancer 01:06:51 How The Plant Was Found 01:13:47 Chemo Radiation Clash 01:17:59 Timeline And Publication 01:20:27 Closing Advice And Wrap
The Hart2Heart podcast is hosted by family physician Dr. Michael Hart, who is dedicated to cutting through the noise and uncovering the most effective strategies for optimizing health, longevity, and peak performance. This p
More from Hart2Heart with Dr. Mike Hart
Dr. Mike Hart sits down with Dr. Jessica Peatross to explore the overlooked factors that may contribute to unexplained health symptoms, from blood sugar fluctuations that resemble anxiety to disrupted cortisol rhythms that affect sleep and energy. They discuss how meal timing, fasting, and hormone balance influence overall well-being, along with the relationship between gut health, histamine intolerance, and mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS). Dr. Jess explains why she questions conventional food sensitivity testing, how she evaluates potential liver dysfunction and mold exposure, and why certain probiotics and supplements may not work for everyone. The conversation also covers environmental toxins, breast implant illness, genetic variations such as MTHFR and COMT, and the importance of tailoring health interventions to individual needs. Dr. Jessica Peatross, also known as Dr. Jess, is a medical doctor and former hospitalist who spent nearly seven years practicing conventional medicine before transitioning toward a more holistic, individualized approach to patient care. Her work focuses on identifying underlying contributors to chronic health concerns through detailed patient histories, symptom patterns, laboratory assessments, and personalized treatment strategies. She emphasizes nervous system regulation, nutritional support, and understanding how environmental and biological factors influence individual health responses. Beyond her clinical practice, she shares educational content through her Wellness+ platform and serves as a supplement formulator for Aegis Formulas. Her philosophy encourages patients to look beyond symptom management while recognizing the essential role of conventional medicine, particularly in emergencies.
In this solo Hart2Heart Podcast episode (focused on male androgenetic alopecia), Dr. Mike Hart reviews hair-loss treatments, emphasizing that regrowth is harder if follicles are gone after 12–18 months. He highlights minoxidil (topical or oral), noting similar efficacy between 2.5 mg and 5 mg oral dosing, comparable results between oral 5 mg and topical 5% twice daily, and that adding 0.01% tretinoin may allow once-daily topical use; combining oral and topical is unstudied but not necessarily dangerous. He advises avoiding systemic DHT blockers due to side effects, favoring 0.05% topical dutasteride for minimal blood DHT reduction, and recommends weekly microneedling (~0.75 mm) without applying products immediately after. As growth-factor adjuncts, he prioritizes PRP or placental exosomes, discusses limited evidence for ketoconazole shampoo and copper peptides, warns DHT-derived anabolic steroids won't be helped by dutasteride, and reviews emerging anti-androgen options and their systemic-risk concerns.
Dr. Mike Hart and Dr. Ira Price explore how medicine is adapting as patients gain greater access to emerging treatments, health information, and tools once limited to physicians. They discuss unapproved peptides and GLP-1 drugs, the growing shift toward personalized and patient-centered care, and the challenges doctors face when evidence and regulation lag behind real-world use. The conversation expands into Canada's opioid crisis, drug decriminalization, fentanyl and medetomidine contamination, emergency-room strain, physician burnout, and broader problems within the Canadian healthcare system. They also examine medical cannabis, CBD and lesser-known cannabinoids, psychedelic medicine, sleep, longevity, and the importance of balancing individual choice with evidence, clinical judgment, and responsible medical guidance. Dr. Ira Price is an emergency physician, sports medicine specialist, and longtime cannabinoid-medicine practitioner whose work sits at the intersection of acute care, emerging therapeutics, and patient-centered medicine. Over nearly two decades working with cannabinoids and years on the front lines of emergency care, he has developed a strong focus on helping patients navigate treatments that often move faster than traditional medical guidelines. His approach emphasizes collaboration rather than gatekeeping, encouraging physicians to remain lifelong learners while helping patients critically evaluate evidence, understand risks and benefits, and make more informed decisions about their health. He brings a practical perspective shaped by emergency medicine, sports medicine, cannabinoid research and clinical practice, and firsthand experience with the evolving challenges facing modern healthcare.
Dr. Mike Hart sits down with lipidologist Dr. Spencer Nadolsky for a practical discussion on cardiovascular prevention, cholesterol management, and metabolic health. They break down how to interpret ApoB, LDL, HDL, triglycerides, and Lp(a), when cholesterol-lowering medications may make sense, and why long-term exposure matters when thinking about heart disease risk. The conversation also explores statins, PCSK9 inhibitors, plaque progression, supplements, insulin resistance, and the evolving role of GLP-1 medications in obesity treatment and long-term cardiometabolic health. Dr. Spencer Nadolsky is a physician specializing in obesity medicine, lipidology, and cardiometabolic health, with a strong focus on preventing chronic disease before it develops. His approach combines evidence-based medicine with individualized risk assessment, helping patients make sense of cholesterol, metabolic health, body weight, medications, and lifestyle without relying on one-size-fits-all recommendations. Known for translating complex medical research into practical guidance, he emphasizes sustainable health decisions, meaningful clinical outcomes, and finding the balance between being proactive about longevity and becoming overly consumed by it.
Dr. Mike Hart discusses how oral peptides can still have biological effects despite limited or no systemic absorption, using examples including KPV, BPC-157, linaclotide (Constella), oral semaglutide, and cyclosporine. He explains protein digestion into dipeptides/tripeptides and the PEPT1 transporter that moves some small peptides into enterocytes for local cellular effects, noting that KPV can act in intestinal cells without entering circulation and that carnosine is another PEPT1-absorbed example. He outlines multiple local mechanisms (acting in the gut lumen, on the enterocyte surface, inside enterocytes, and in nearby gut tissue) and contrasts these with systemic absorption examples like semaglutide formulated with SNAC (only 0.4–1% reaches blood yet remains effective) and cyclosporine's unusual properties. He notes exceptions like glutathione and discusses theories for BPC-157's oral effects, emphasizing regulated products and upcoming discussion on GLP-1s and obesity with Dr. Spencer Nadolsky.