Complexified

What If the Most Powerful American in the World Isn't Who You Think?

Complexified

Show Notes

The playbook for dismissing a pope just stopped working.

Trump called Pope Leo weak. Catholics — including some of Trump's own — aren't buying it. Vatican reporter Claire Giangravé joins Amanda Henderson to explain why Leo, a Chicago-born American pope, can't be dismissed the way his predecessors were, what his quiet first year was actually building toward, and whether the unlikely Catholic coalition forming behind him can hold.

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