
102: Baby Steps Towards Biodynamics & Organic Growing Practices - Part 2 with Thijs Verschuuren
Vineyard UndergroundShow Notes
In this conversation, Fritz continues his deep dive with Thijs Verschuuren of Herman J. Wiemer, exploring practical baby steps toward biodynamic and organic vineyard management. Thijs walks through how he structures a non-systemic spray program in a high-disease-pressure region, breaking down critical spray timing, coverage strategies, and why he treats bloom and cap fall as "non-negotiable" spray windows. They discuss how Thijs combines copper, sulfur, plant teas, biologicals, and newer tools like chitosan-based fungicides and kaolin clay to target downy mildew, black rot, powdery mildew, and leafhoppers, while staying within strict copper limits and managing livestock safety. Fritz and Thijs also cover biodynamic teas, how forecasting and 48‑hour brews fit into a preventive program, and why daily scouting and mapping disease "pockets" are essential. The conversation concludes with canopy management, pruning, mechanization, and thoughtful leaf removal that maintain disease control without sacrificing the acidity and fruit quality of Riesling and Chardonnay on the path to Demeter certification. In this episode, you will hear: Why spray timing and coverage matter more than product choice in organic and biodynamic programs
How to integrate copper, sulfur, oils, chitosan, and kaolin clay while respecting label limits and site conditions
Practical strategies for managing downy mildew, black rot, and powdery mildew with a mostly protectant toolbox
How biodynamic teas and preparations fit into a preventive, weather‑driven vineyard health program
Daily scouting, mapping, and localized spraying as core tools to limit disease spread and input use
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