The Deep View: Conversations

Using AI to fix job destruction, skills, and hiring

The Deep View: Conversations

Show Notes

In a labor market being rewired by AI, CodeSignal is betting that skills, not resumes, will decide who thrives.

For this episode of The Deep View: Conversations, I talked with Tigran Sloyan, CEO and co-founder of CodeSignal, the company building a new standard for hiring and career mobility in the age of AI.

CodeSignal’s mission starts with a simple but painful truth: resumes and interviews are a flawed way to hire talent. Countless candidates have the skills to thrive in high-paying tech roles but never get a fair shot, while others with polished credentials sometimes land jobs they’re not prepared to do.

CodeSignal is flipping that equation with skills-based assessments that help employers discover candidates with real ability, and a free learning platform that helps candidates level up for the next opportunity.

In my conversation with Tigran, we talked about: + Why resumes haven’t meaningfully changed in 100 years, and why it's breaking hiring + How CodeSignal measures skills, and why simulation beats multiple-choice + What AI unlocks for assessing non-technical roles such as sales and support + The dark side of AI: what CodeSignal’s research shows about cheating attempts + Why entry-level jobs are turning into tasks, and what that means for training + How CodeSignal makes free learning content work economically + The future of re-skilling at scale, and why AI tutoring changes everything

We also dig into what’s changing fast right now: the rise of AI-assisted work, the surge in fraud in hiring assessments, and why foundational skills still matter even when AI can do the task. Tigran shares his background from Armenia to MIT to Google, his most contrarian leadership advice, and the AI tool he'd recommend you start using every day. If you want to understand how AI is being used to fix the problems that AI is causing in the job market, this is the podcast for you. Subscribe to The Deep View: Conversations podcast in your favorite podcast player for more unique conversations with the brightest minds solving the biggest challenges in AI. You can also subscribe on YouTube. And don't forget to sign up for The Deep View daily newsletter. We don’t just cover AI, we decode it. In a world flooded with hype, we deliver sharp, no-nonsense insights that keep our audience ahead of the curve and help them put AI to work every day: subscribe.thedeepview.com

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