Small Business Stories

How to Be a Better Leader by Listening More & Leading With Heart Featuring Payman Lorenzo

Small Business Stories

Show Notes

S6:E88 After nearly 450 conversations on his Leaders With a Heart podcast, Payman Lorenzo has heard extraordinary stories of leadership, adversity, failure, resilience, and reinvention. But one of his most important lessons is surprisingly basic: Listen. Really listen. Queue up this episode of Small Business Stories for a deeply human conversation about leadership, boundaries, assumptions, patience, setbacks, and why making another person feel seen and heard may be one of the most consequential things a leader can do. If people don't trust that you're listening, they stop telling you what you need to hear. If we assign motives before understanding someone's circumstances, we may react to an intention that never existed. And if leadership is built around our interpretation rather than another person's actual experience, even good intentions can produce the wrong impact. Loralyn Mears, PhD, aka "Dr. LL," brings you thoughtful conversations with entrepreneurs and small business leaders navigating visibility, leadership, and growth. Thank you for being here. 👤 Guest Payman Lorenzo Host, Leaders With a Heart Leadership, podcasting, human connection, and entrepreneurship

⚠️ Core Problems Discussed • Listening to respond rather than listening to understand • Assuming intent from incomplete information • Confusing kindness with an obligation to say yes • Allowing poor boundaries to create exhaustion and resentment • Trying to force someone else's growth before they're ready • Interpreting setbacks only through "Why me?" rather than asking what can be learned • Losing sight of the human being while pursuing the business outcome

🥡 Practical Takeaways • Genuine listening makes people feel seen and heard. • Service becomes more sustainable when helping another person succeed also creates mutual value. • Boundaries protect your ability to continue helping others. • A "no" delivered with respect can be more constructive than a resentful "yes." • Before reacting to someone's behavior, question the meaning you've assigned to it. • You can't force someone to change before they're ready. • Asking "What is this trying to teach me?" can change how we interpret difficult experiences. Payman describes that shift as life-changing. ⏱️ Timestamps 02:05 Why connection and trust changed Payman's life 06:04 "I'm a collector of success stories" 08:17 What genuine leaders do differently 11:21 Leading with heart doesn't mean always being nice 13:47 Why Payman stopped giving everything away for free 14:38 When saying yes to everyone means saying no to yourself 17:07 The dirty-dishes lesson that taught Payman boundaries 19:37 Perceived intent versus what someone actually means 20:10 The question Payman says changed his life 21:43 Failure, depression, and how podcasting helped him rebuild 26:02 What happens when good intentions have the wrong impact? 28:12 A leader with heart is someone who listens 🔖 Who This Episode Is For Founders, managers, entrepreneurs, and leaders trying to navigate difficult relationships without losing empathy, boundaries, or themselves in the process. At STEERus, we see Assumption Filling as a recurring source of misinterpretation risk. When information is incomplete, human beings naturally construct meaning from what they can see and then may make decisions based on that interpretation as though it were fact. Subscribe and share Small Business Stories for grounded conversations about entrepreneurship, leadership, visibility, trust, and what it really takes to build something meaningful. ✅ Subscribe for weekly conversations on entrepreneurship 🔁 Share this episode with someone who needs to be heard Follow STEERus on social media: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DrLLSmallBusiness Instagram: https://instagram.com/steerus LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/steerus Twitter: https://x.com/steerus_io

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