Show Notes
It’s been 6 months since the last episode, and it feels like everything has changed. Bret and Nirmal catch you up on the increasing pace of AI change, how it will likely affect DevOps engineers and platform builders, and what’s coming on the podcast. Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/NkqAMAIW5ks
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★Show Links★ Agent Harness Skills https://agentskills.io Video of Gradel CEO "You can write code faster, can you deliver it faster?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXNJ9_sHuM Is your team still hand-chiseling code? https://www.geocod.io/code-and-coordinates/2026-01-21-hand-chiseling-code/ Creators & Guests
Bret Fisher - Host
Beth Fisher - Producer
Cristi Cotovan - Editor
Nirmal Mehta - Host
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(00:00) - ADOP - Feb 26, 2026
(02:23) - Introduction
(03:00) - Season Two Kickoff
(04:34) - Productivity Debate and Two AI Camps
(06:48) - Ops View from Dev Retreats
(10:05) - Automation Debt and App Tsunami
(14:12) - Frontier Models Changed Everything
(20:12) - Red Pill vs Blue Pill Skepticism
(23:14) - Three Focus Areas for DevOps
(25:34) - GitHub Copilot and Agentic Workflows
(29:00) - Harnesses That Run Longer
(29:34) - Skills As SOPs
(32:13) - Guardrails For App Tsunami
(34:13) - Agent Orchestration a nd Kubernetes
(35:33) - Shadow IT Goes AI
(36:13) - Inner Loop Diagram Breakdown
(38:37) - AI Code Review Councils
(40:52) - Context Layer And Docs Debt
(47:06) - Career Waves to Agent Ops
(55:12) - Future Guests and Episodes
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