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Books That Matter: Emily Adrian on LOITERING WITH INTENT by Muriel Spark

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Welcome to the Fiction Matters podcast. This is Books That Matter, an author interview series where we’ll get to know writers as readers and talk about the books that matter to them. Since this is the first in this new series, I’m going to pause our regular intro to give a little bit of background information on the series and how it came to be and what I’m hoping to do here. So for quite some time, I’ve been wanting to do more author interviews on my Substack. First of all, it’s a way to shine a light on writers that I love, and it’s a way for me to get to know more about writing and reading in general and the writers I really admire in particular. But to be quite honest, I’ve always had kind of a complicated relationship with author interviews. I can be a little bit precious about my own reading. As a reader, I really like to do the interpretive work. I like to make meaning out of a book in terms of how I connect with it, how I see it. I guess I’m kind of a self-centered reader in that regard and how I approach reading fiction. And so sometimes I can avoid author interviews because I just I don’t want to know too much that influences how I read the book. But at the same time, I love listening to authors talk and I love talking with authors. I find the conversation so fascinating because I think that writers read a little bit differently than regular readers, or at least I’ve noticed that a lot of writers read differently than I do personally. And so I’m always fascinated to hear about what they read, how they read, and the types of books that they enjoy and how that then translates into their own work. So I have been thinking about how to host author interviews and I thought, maybe I would like to talk to writers, but talk to them more as readers and in particular about the books that have really shaped or influenced or mattered to them in some way. I have actually been doing this similar series and a series that goes by the same name over on Patreon for years where I talk to literary society members of the Patreon group about books that matter to them. And so now, starting today, I’m going to be bringing a similar series called Books That Matter to Substack, where I will be talking with authors about a book that matters to them, and in doing so, hoping to get to learn a little bit more about their reading lives. I’ll also, of course, be talking to them about their writing lives and their own books, but the focus is going to be a little bit more on reading. And I’m still figuring out this whole series, exactly what it’s going to look like, how often it’s going to come out, all of that. Right now, it will just be kind of spontaneously as I find and reach out to authors who I really want to speak with. And you might notice the episode format or at least kind of discussion points shift a bit between episodes as I get into a groove, as I figure out my stride and what really works for these conversations. But the goal is going to remain the same, to get to know writers as readers and writers. discover new to us books that matter or learn about books that maybe we readers already know and love, but learn how they matter to a particular writer in a different way. So I hope you’re excited for this series. I’m so excited. I have some great guests lined up for you over the next few weeks and months and today, for the inaugural episode, I’m joined by Emily Adrian. Emily is the author of Seduction Theory, a metafictional campus novel that explores loyalty, betrayal, and writing craft through a story that’s both extremely clever and highly entertaining. In the first part of this episode, you’ll hear about Emily’s reading life, how learning to read made life snap into focus, and why Loitering with Intent by Muriel Spark became an instant favorite. Later we get into her 2025 release Seduction Theory. She shares how the narrator of the book emerged as she wrote and (remarkably without any spoilers!) how she added to the ending right before

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