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Reindigenizing Our Ways of Being: Tina Ngata, Diana and Mark Kopua

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Show Notes

In this panel from the The Eternal Song 7-Day Global Gathering Schedule, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo speak with Dr. Diana Kopua, a Māori psychiatrist, Mark Kopua, a cultural leader and master carver, and Tina Ngata, an advocate for indigenous and environmental rights. The conversation explores the significance of revitalizing indigenous knowledge, ancestral connections, and reindigenization. They explore the effects of colonialism, the doctrine of Christian discovery, and the urgency of collective wellbeing practices. The conversations weaves reconnection with ancestral stories, the environment, and indigenizing oneself as crucial steps towards collective healing and resilience.

Find out more about The Eternal Song film series and All-Access Pass and the SAND film Mauri which features all three guests from today’s show.

Topics

00:00 Introduction of Extraordinary Voices

01:50 Personal Introductions and Backgrounds

07:09 Current Issues in New Zealand

12:24 Colonial Impact on Māori Wellbeing

18:42 Traditional Māori Wellbeing and Ancestral Connections

33:29 Healing Through Ancestral Stories

34:56 Impact of Colonization on Indigenous Mindset

37:04 Reconnecting with Ancestral Wisdom

40:55 Understanding Racism and Education

44:26 The Role of Christianity and Wealth

52:51 Indigenizing vs. Decolonizing

53:35 Practical Steps to Re-Indigenize

56:38 Final Thoughts and Reflections

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