Without Real Assets, DeFi Has No Point | Sébastien Derivaux, MakerDAO — S1 E2
DeFi Drip Podcast | Tokenized Assets & Onchain FinanceShow Notes
In 2022, when real-world asset allocations in DeFi were still measured in millions, Sébastien Derivaux was already making the case that a financial system without real assets is just speculation. In this episode he explains how MakerDAO was approaching that problem, and makes his bet for what would finally bring institutions onchain — a yield curve in DeFi.
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