Leading Saints Podcast

When the Seminary Teacher Has a Faith Crisis | An Interview with Tucker Boyle

Leading Saints Podcast

Show Notes

Tucker Boyle has spent over 25 years teaching Seminary and Institute for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, where he has worked closely with youth and young adults to help them deepen their relationship with Jesus Christ and navigate real-life challenges with faith and awareness. He has served as a Young Single Adult bishop and in other leadership callings, giving him a front-line perspective on the complexities individuals face in their spiritual journeys.

Tucker is the founder of Harmony Road Retreats, a nonprofit organization that creates compassionate, supportive spaces for individuals wanting to find inner harmony while experiencing shifts in their faith. Through retreats, teaching, and his podcast Call to Harmony, he helps people develop practical tools for navigating spiritual dissonance, regulating the nervous system, and cultivating a more grounded, personal connection with God. He lives in Spanish Fork, Utah, with his wife Katie and their five children.

Links https://www.harmonyroadretreats.com/ What I Learned About Leadership When My 2nd Counselor Left the Church ChurchofJesusChrist.org Topics and Questions Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights Tucker talks about navigating faith crises and transitions. The discussion explores the intellectual and physiological aspects of questioning faith, moving beyond "black and white" thinking to find spiritual peace through connection and the heart.

00:02:21 - Tucker's Faith Crisis Journey 00:03:24 - Understanding Faith Crisis Beyond Doubt 00:04:05 - Importance of Community in Faith Transitions 00:04:32 - Tucker's Experience in Teaching 00:05:43 - Observations on Youth and Young Adults 00:06:31 - Trusting the Goodness of the Younger Generation 00:07:11 - Defining Faith Crisis and Faith Journey 00:08:28 - Tucker's Personal Faith Crisis Experience 00:09:01 - The Impact of Seeking Other Perspectives 00:10:37 - The Challenge of Balancing Beliefs 00:11:54 - The Role of the Dissertation Chair 00:12:38 - Navigating Fear and Doubt in Research 00:14:03 - The Dissolution of Testimony Pillars 00:15:17 - The Moment of Psychological Free Fall 00:16:21 - The Question of Wasting Time in Faith 00:17:03 - The Complexity of Belief and Doubt 00:18:03 - The Nature of Testimony Pillars 00:19:21 - The Challenge of Seeing Humanity in Divinity 00:20:58 - The Shift from Certainty to Complexity 00:22:46 - The Experience of Testimony in Church 00:23:40 - The Impact of Testimony on Personal Faith 00:24:53 - The Role of Nervous System in Faith Experiences 00:26:54 - The Importance of Self-Regulation 00:28:24 - The Journey of Healing and Understanding 00:30:31 - The Non-Linear Nature of Faith Journeys 00:31:13 - The Moment of Clarity and Love 00:33:08 - The Temporary Nature of Spiritual Experiences 00:34:24 - The Shift Back to Struggle 00:36:08 - Understanding the Faith Crisis Experience 00:37:41 - The Journey Towards Harmony 00:39:44 - The Role of Heart vs. Mind in Faith 00:41:06 - The Transformation Through Faith Crisis 00:43:22 - Embracing Complexity in Belief 00:45:01 - Gratitude for the Faith Crisis Experience 00:45:34 - Moving Forward with New Perspectives Key Insights The Nature of Faith Crisis: A faith crisis is often experienced as a physical response in the nervous system, where the world feels like it is falling apart, rather than just an intellectual disagreement. The Trap of Certainty: Boyle describes his own journey from a "black and white" mindset of having every answer to encountering complexity that dissolved his traditional "pillars" of testimony. Leading with the Heart: While the mind seeks to label, divide, and categorize, the heart can hold nuance, questions, and imperfections in church history or leadership that the analytical mind cannot. Spiritual Regulation: Finding peace often requires "stepping back" from a stressed mind through practices like meditation, allowing

More from Leading Saints Podcast

Oct 21, 2026

James Fletcher is the founder and chief investment officer of Ethos Investment Management, and has been investing professionally in emerging markets for 20 years. He is also the founder of the global non-profit Young Investors Society, which provides lessons to teens on investing and financial literacy in over 3,000 high schools and 80 countries around the world. James has a bachelor’s degree in Finance from Brigham Young University and also teaches as a BYU adjunct professor in Finance. He has lived in a variety of places, from Boston to Brazil and Los Angeles to Hong Kong, and currently lives in Springville, Utah, with his wife and five children, where he serves as a bishop in the Hobble Creek Springville Utah Stake.

Sep 26, 2026

Brigham Young University professor and religious folklorist Christopher Blythe discusses the nature of revelation, spiritual manifestations, and claims to mysticism within Latter-day Saint history and culture. The conversation examines how members and leaders can evaluate personal spiritual experiences, navigate claims of revelation that exceed proper authority, and guard against deceptive influences or speculative practices.

Sep 18, 2026

Shawn Vanderhoven is the author of the USA Today bestseller Pause: How to Lead Brilliant Work in a Busy World and a Partner at The Wiseman Group, where he leads the executive development practice for senior leaders and rising talent. A collaborator on the New York Times bestseller Multipliers: How the Best Leaders Make Everyone Smarter (Second Edition), Shawn co-designs strategies that help organizations amplify their people, advising leaders at companies like Amazon, Alphabet, Adobe, Microsoft, and Salesforce. He holds a BS in History from Brigham Young University and lives in the San Francisco Bay Area with his wife, Anne, dedicated to helping leaders create the conditions where teams can focus on what matters most.

Sep 12, 2026

Davis Smith is the founder, chairman, and emeritus CEO of Cotopaxi, a Salt Lake City–based outdoor gear brand dedicated to poverty alleviation. Raised throughout Latin America, he developed a lifelong commitment to social impact after witnessing economic inequality firsthand. A serial e-commerce entrepreneur, Davis founded several successful ventures, including Brazil’s 2012 “Startup of the Year,” before building Cotopaxi into a global brand that has assisted millions living in poverty. He has served as a Presidential Leadership Scholar and a member of the United Nations Foundation’s Global Leadership Council.

Sep 8, 2026

Dave McCann is a veteran sportscaster, play-by-play announcer, and television anchor with decades of broadcasting experience across regional and national media. After graduating from Brigham Young University with a degree in broadcasting, he began his career as a college sports reporter for ABC’s Good Morning America before anchoring sports in Las Vegas for nearly 20 years. He later served as an evening news co-anchor for KSL-TV in Salt Lake City and became a prominent media personality for BYUtv, hosting pre- and post-game shows alongside lead play-by-play coverage for BYU football and basketball. McCann also writes sports commentary for the Deseret News and co-hosts the digital BYU sports talk show Y’s Guys. He currently serves as an elders quorum president.

See all episodes →