What Bomb Can Touch the Human Spirit? Discussing War, Peace, and Nonviolence with Ari Honarvar
Peace is PowerShow Notes
In this episode of Peace is Power , Janessa Gans Wilder speaks with Ari Honarvar, an Iranian-American writer, artist, and founder of Rumi With a View. Ari reflects on growing up in Iran during the Islamic Revolution and the Iran-Iraq War, where women’s freedoms were stripped away, and fear became part of daily life. After witnessing repression and violence firsthand, her parents made the heartbreaking decision to send her alone to the United States at age 14 for her safety. The conversation explores exile, identity, trauma, and the emotional dislocation of leaving one’s homeland and family behind. Ari shares how poetry, music, art, and community became sources of sanctuary and resistance during war. Together, Janessa and Ari discuss rehumanization, nonviolence, feminine leadership, and the challenge of keeping the heart open in times of destruction and division.
Key Takeaways:
Rehumanization Is an Act of Resistance Ari explains how her work uses storytelling, art, and joy to reconnect people to the humanity behind war, displacement, and political violence.
Exile Leaves Both Emotional and Physical Wounds Being separated from family, language, and culture created a profound sense of dislocation that shaped Ari’s understanding of trauma and resilience.
Beauty Can Sustain Us During Crisis Ari describes how people found moments of sanctuary and dignity even during war and oppression.
Peace Requires Justice The conversation challenges simplistic ideas of peace, emphasizing that peace without dignity, accountability, and collective liberation is incomplete.
Keeping the Heart Open Takes Strength Ari speaks about developing the capacity to hold grief, anger, and compassion without losing one’s humanity.
Timestamps:
(00:12) Peace as connection, not domination. Janessa introduces the podcast's central theme and explores the idea that true power comes from connection rather than force. (01:32) Growing up during revolution and war. Ari reflects on her childhood in Iran during the Islamic Revolution and the Iran-Iraq War. (06:06) Leaving Iran alone at age 14. Ari shares the heartbreaking circumstances that led her parents to send her to the United States for safety. (10:27) Rebelling against oppression. From dressing as a boy to writing anti-regime graffiti, Ari describes her early acts of resistance against gender restrictions. (13:15) The trauma of exile and dislocation. The conversation explores the emotional toll of being separated from family, language, and homeland. (17:16) Witnessing suffering from afar. Ari discusses the grief and helplessness of watching violence unfold in Iran while living abroad. (24:37) Rehumanizing the victims of war. Ari explains her project highlighting the people, schools, and communities affected by bombings and political violence. (31:07) Keeping the heart open during difficult times. Janessa and Ari reflect on the strength required to remain compassionate in the face of pain and destruction. (36:29) What Iranian women are teaching the world. Ari discusses collective liberation, feminine leadership, and the broader meaning behind women-led resistance movements.
(37:05) Rooftops, missiles, and Rumi. Ari shares a childhood memory of neighbors reciting poetry during air raids, finding sanctuary in beauty and art. (43:40) Violence, self-defense, and nonviolence. A nuanced conversation about whether violence can ever be justified in situations of oppression and survival. (51:38) Joy and embodiment as resilience practices. Ari describes how breath, art, gratitude, and community help sustain people through trauma and overwhelm. (52:24) The mirror poem and self-reflection. Ari shares a poem by Nizami Ganjavi about confronting ourselves instead of projecting blame outward. (55:05) Why peace without justice is incomplete. The episode closes with a reflection...
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