Shubz Says So

124 | Brian Tamaki Charged — Where’s the Free Speech Line

Shubz Says So

Show Notes

You don’t have to agree with Brian Tamaki to question the charges against him.

The Free Speech Union joins Shubz to discuss the case, racial disharmony legislation and where offensive speech ends and criminal offending begins. We also get into online complaints, Netsafe and concerns about how the Harmful Digital Communications Act is being used.

Before that, Vision New Zealand deputy leader Heeka Robertson shares his journey from an Auckland upbringing and a law degree to government work, pastoring and politics. He explains why he lost faith in bureaucracy, his support for Brian Tamaki and the role he believes Christianity, family and immigration should play in New Zealand’s future.

The conversation also turns to gangs, policing and lived experience. Shubz explains why he has sometimes felt safer around gang members than police, and we discuss the trauma and search for belonging behind those experiences.

CHAPTERS 0:00 Show introduction and updates 12:02 Heeka Robertson — Vision New Zealand, faith and politics 43:13 Free Speech Union — Brian Tamaki’s charges, speech laws and online complaints 1:16:51 Reflections and closing

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