Futurology

We're Winning the Race to Replace Ourselves (with Tristan Harris and Dawn Nakagawa)

Futurology

Show Notes

The people racing to build artificial general intelligence tell us this rush to the future is inevitable. It reads like a forecast, but works like an alibi. If nothing can stop the race, then no one driving it is responsible for where it ends. And only the fear of humanity losing together can end it.

In this conversation from May 2026, Tristan Harris argues the race is not preordained, just the hardest coordination problem humanity has ever faced, and one nobody has seriously tried to solve. Harris co-founded the Center for Humane Technology; he was a driving force behind "The Social Dilemma" and a new film: "The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist." After watching bad incentives wreck social media, he warns where they lead this time: every country automating labor at once and mutually assured political revolution.

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Mentioned in this Episode:

The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist — Daniel Roher and Charlie Tyrell (Documentary, 2026)

The Social Dilemma — Jeff Orlowski (Documentary, 2020)

The Day After — Nicholas Meyer (TV Film, 1983)

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind — Yuval Noah Harari (Book, 2011)

The Ministry for the Future — Kim Stanley Robinson (Book, 2020)

Amusing Ourselves to Death — Neil Postman (Book, 1985)

The Intelligence Curse — Luke Drago and Rudolf Laine (Essay Series, 2025)

Statement on Superintelligence — Future of Life Institute (Open Statement, 2025)

AGI Ruin: A List of Lethalities — Eliezer Yudkowsky (Essay, 2022)

Where to find Tristan Harris:

Personal site: https://www.tristanharris.com/

Center for Humane Technology: https://www.humanetech.com/

Your Undivided Attention (podcast): https://www.humanetech.com/podcast

The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist: https://www.humanetech.com/landing/the-ai-doc

X: https://x.com/tristanharris

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tristanharris/

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Credits

Executive Producers: Nicolas Berggruen, Nathan Gardels, Nils Gilman, Dawn Nakagawa, & Jason Hoch

Producers: Grant Slater, Alex Gardels, & Nathalia Ramos

Associate Producer: Elissa Mardiney

Theme Music: Marcus Bagala

Audio Engineer: Aaron Bastinelli & Kyle Scott Wilson

Futurology is a production of Studio B and Wavland for the Berggruen Institute in Los Angeles, California.

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