Show Notes
Welcome back to This Is Definitely Not a Data Podcast, where Brendan and Lenno, sit down to unpack what happens when AI adoption moves from personal experiment to company-wide bet.
They start with why ChatGPT's real genius wasn't the model, but the humble Google-style search box that let everyone in from day one.
From there, Lenno shares his own hands-on testing of AI models on messy address data, and the pair compare Klarna's AI-first retreat with IKEA's decision to retrain its workforce instead of replacing it.
Warm, candid, and refreshingly honest, Brendan and Lenno keep circling back to the same conclusion: however far the technology goes, this is still a people problem.
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