490: Stuck or Stopped? Lee Harris on Betrayal, Surrender, and Finding Your Way Back Video
From Betrayal To BreakthroughShow Notes
In this episode, Dr. Debi sits down with Lee Harris, spiritual leader, author, channeler, and musician, for a wide ranging conversation on betrayal, surrender, forgiveness, and what it actually takes to find your way back to yourself. Lee opens up about his own experience of betrayal by someone he trusted deeply, and how that experience became a rubber meets the road moment for who he really was.
Together, Lee and Dr. Debi explore the wounded empath pattern that so often leads to repeat betrayal, why self judgment is the fastest way to keep yourself stuck, and a simple but powerful reframe: you're not stuck, you're stopped. Lee also shares the exact process he used to move through his own darkest season, including a surprising ritual involving a massage and a very specific intention.
This conversation goes deep into trust, surrender, and forgiveness, three words that carry enormous weight after betrayal, and Lee offers a grounded, human take on all three that avoids easy answers or spiritual bypassing.
In This Episode:
Lee's own experience of being betrayed by someone he trusted, and the complexity of still caring for that person afterward
The difference between the wounded empath and the less wounded empath, and why both patterns can lead to repeat betrayal
Why relationships where the betrayer faces few consequences correlate with the most physical illness, a finding from Dr. Debi's own research
The reframe that changed everything for Lee's clients: 'you're not stuck, you're stopped'
Why self judgment is the fastest way to stop your own healing
The 'calculator moment': a client who had ruminated on a 40 year old betrayal for the equivalent of 5 wasted years
How to find the areas of your life where trust is still intact, and lean into those while you rebuild the rest
Lee's take on surrender, including why remembering you don't control when you'll die can actually be freeing
What forgiveness really means: no longer carrying the dagger someone else placed in your heart
A grief reflection inspired by musician Nick Cave's Red Hand Files, and why trauma frozen in the body needs release, not just time
Resources Mentioned:
Lucid Surrender by Entheo (ambient music album Lee uses for nervous system regulation)
The Red Hand Files — Nick Cave (newsletter)
The Five Stages of Betrayal Recovery — ThePBTInstitute.com
Connect with Lee Harris:
Website: LeeHarrisEnergy.com
Music: LeeHarrisMusic.com
YouTube: Lee Harris Energy
Connect with Dr. Debi
The PBT Institute: https://ThePBTInstitute.com
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