From Harm to Healing

Episode 40 - Conversations with Michelle Edsall - DST Treatment (Part 1)

From Harm to Healing

Show Notes

Chris recently sat down for another conversation with Michelle Edsall, focussing on the stages of treatment within the DST model, and the ways that their professional practices seek to meet those treatment needs.

In this first part of the conversation, they particularly discuss the treatment needs for men who have engaged in deceptive sexuality, highlighting the need for psychoeducation and illumination, followed by deeper metabolization and focussed attending work.

If you're interested in connecting with Michelle to enquire about her men's groups, please contact her via email here: [email protected]

More from From Harm to Healing

Sep 27, 2026

In this episode, Chris explores the difference between proactivity and reactivity in recovery, and why meaningful change ultimately requires more than simply responding when prompted, challenged, or held accountable.

Aug 23, 2026

In this episode, Chris is joined by DST therapist Michelle Edsall for a thought-provoking conversation on objectification through the lens of the Deceptive Sexuality Trauma (DST) model.

Aug 9, 2026

In this episode, Chris is joined by Canadian therapist and Certified DST Therapist Natalie Cournoyea. Together they explore the concept of treatment-induced trauma (Room 22 of the 22 Rooms model) and discuss how well-intentioned therapy, group work, and recovery frameworks can sometimes create additional harm for betrayed partners.

Jul 26, 2026

In the final part of this conversation, Chris and Trish explore the challenges and possibilities of healing within the injured relationship.

Jul 12, 2026

Content note: This episode contains a particularly raw and emotionally intense exploration of deceptive sexuality and its traumatic impact. For betrayed partners in particular, some of the imagery, sounds, and descriptions may evoke strong feelings or trauma responses. Please consider whether this is the right time for you to listen, and feel free to pause or step away if needed.

See all episodes →