Show Notes
In this episode, Chris is joined by DST therapist Michelle Edsall for a thought-provoking conversation on objectification through the lens of the Deceptive Sexuality Trauma (DST) model.
Together they explore how objectification extends beyond sexualisation into the broader experience of collapsed recognition—where a person's humanity, agency, and inner world are no longer truly seen. They discuss Michelle's emerging framework of sacred recognition, the relationship between objectification and healthy sexual desire, and how moving from relational reduction to genuine curiosity and connection can support lasting healing for both partners and those in recovery.
Find out more: Website: https://www.counselingcenterwm.org/provider/michelleedsall Email: [email protected]
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Content note: This episode contains a particularly raw and emotionally intense exploration of deceptive sexuality and its traumatic impact. For betrayed partners in particular, some of the imagery, sounds, and descriptions may evoke strong feelings or trauma responses. Please consider whether this is the right time for you to listen, and feel free to pause or step away if needed.